why does god has to have a god??

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  1. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    nothing..never thought one exists nor heard so..

    and al the killing ants..i don't believe you..you have proof?
    as for them trying to bite ultragod, i don't know what's that supposd to mean..


    thanks spidergoat..i think i understand more clearly now..

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    some theists who are aware of the complexity of evolution because of their high scientific level (unlike me of course)..how do they make go between the complexity of evolution and yet are in favour of believing god to it..is it possible that as much as they know of it's complexity..they see it doesn't go beyond being explanatory?

    they see that as much as it is complex..it will never mtch the complexity of what it tries to explain..and so, believe in god, regarding evolution as a nice try..but not satisfactory much?

    all what i said is based on assumption..i'm just trying to understand why theist science people still believe god? as i'm not one..i just want to put all elements into account.
     
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  3. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Evolution & gods do not necessarily exclude each other.
     
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  5. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    can you please stop attacking me personally?

    it's tiresome replying to such posts..
     
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  7. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    That's not a personal attack.
     
  8. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    So you do believe in god.
    Did god create us and other life ?
     
  9. spidergoat your cows have come home to roost Valued Senior Member

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    Evolution is not really that complex, that is it's beauty. It's a simple set of circumstances that results in complexity, using randomness as a driving force. In that sense it is able to bridge the explanatory transition between simple and complex things. I can't explain why people still believe in both evolution and God(s).

    It may not be emotionally satisfactory, but it is intellectually satisfactory.

    Maybe they just want to.
     
  10. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    :idea:yeah, that's what i was thinking..(but i think you have to exclude human evolution)
    then i'm sorry(?):huh:
    does it matter?
    i don't see where you are going..
    maybe they refuse the randomness part..and substitute it with god?:scratchin:
    what about the first part? isn't that a flaw in the intellectual part? affected by the person's knowledge of evolution's complexity plus his knowledge of the creations' complexity?
    he makes a ratio...he stakes the possibilities..then makes his choice??

    or are they people who flat out preferred emotional satisfaction?

    or maybe they made go between the two by knowing all about evolution and so made themselves intellectual.. but also fulfilled their emotional part which evolution stoned and shattered?


    that is also possible..

    but applies to atheists too, no indication..
     
  11. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, it matters. Please answer the question and you'll see where am going with this.
     
  12. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    why don't you go with both yes and no?

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    i'm an open atheist..i consider everything..

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  13. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    You believe ants don't kill wasps, cattle, humans & other ants???
     
  14. spidergoat your cows have come home to roost Valued Senior Member

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    We know it is random, because most mutations are not beneficial.

    Evolution is not inherently complex, only the result seems to be. That is how we go from simple to complex. Evolution only needs variations that can be passed on (several chemical systems can do this), and a variable survival rate of that unit of heredity.

    Most people do not have an innate sense of how probability works. There were likely to be innumerable chances in conditions of the early Earth, for chemical systems to evolve. This multiplies the odds. To evolve a bacteria instantly would be very unlikely, but each small step on the way is more likely. We can see evolution happening in a lab, on the scale of tens of years!

    Most of all, the kind of God needed to explain this is not one required to do anything.

    Life is able to be here asking these questions because we happen to live on a planet where life is possible. Every life form intelligent enough to question their existence will probably find themselves in a set of circumstances apparently uniquely suited to life. It couldn't be any other way.

    Yes, scientists are human, with all the normal flaws that people have.


    "For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow."
    * Bible -- Ecclesiastes 1:18
     
  15. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Life is able to be here asking these questions because we happen to live on a planet where life as we know it is possible. Every life form intelligent enough to question their existence will probably find themselves in a set of circumstances apparently uniquely suited to life as they know it.
     
  16. -ND- Human Prototype Registered Senior Member

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    I wouldn't really say advanced alien per se, more of something out of this world, not exactly sure. I didn't get a chance to see him but I did get a chance to talk to him.
     

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