Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Bowser, Aug 27, 2018.
Is not both a monologue ( with ones self ) and dialogue with others , outside the self .
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People search for something spectacular, miraculous, amazing. That search should lead them right back to where they are--here.
Except religion leads people to a faith based fantasy world.
And it is spectacular and amazing. But it is not miraculous. It's evolution and natural selection, which is an "internal" natural dialogue of testing for survival skills.
A game of survival? One which everyone and everything loses in the end?
Or it gives them insight and a better appreciation for life. I personally believe that some religions have been diluted to such a point that they have lost their original purpose.
If you want to look at it that way, yes.
Of course you can also look at it as being part of a rolling continuum of continual change, from quantum change to evolving galaxies.
Would you want humans to have been stuck as immortal cave dwellers?
Or be like the immortal jellyfish? Do you think it feels privileged to be a jellyfish forever.
If I believed in incarnation into an immortal jellyfish, I would call that eternal hell.
I see no difference between the two. Do you?
Have we achieved immortality since leaving the caves? We have replaced nature's game with our own.
Does it feel deprived?
Yes I do, I strive to leave a positive legacy to my brief existence. It's the best I can do.
I won't fault you for that. I'm not certain it will be remembered, but that doesn't really matter.
But when you are remembered you achieve eternal life. IMO, that is the fundamental value of "legacy".
Jesus achieved eternal life when he was killed and martyred. Not because he will ever resurrect.
It depends on your perspective. You can look at it from a personal perspective or from a species perspective. Obviously the latter would tend to suggest living within the natural rules (biosphere) existing on earth.
But alas, even earth will have its expiration date. We can live it up and not give a damn or we can try to assure a stable environment for our off-spring for as long as possible.
Wait, since leaving caves? Hominids have been around a lot longer than living in caves. We can make an evolutionary case that humans are a result of millions of years of evolution, and that's a lot longer than the 40 years the individual caveman lived.
If we are an immortal species remains to be seen.
I hope not. It does not have a brain as far as I know.
It just knows how to regrow itself from a polyp state when it gets old. Still only a continuity, albeit personal.[/QUOTE]
I've been an urbanize creature most my life. Is it still possible for us to harmonize with nature.
I think there is a limit to the resources available. If we don't find alternatives, our descendants will be living a spars existence.
We are living longer, yes.
I don't know either.
It does its thing, like so many other creatures. Perhaps people are doing their thing.
I am a true city boy, born in Amsterdam, Holland. Yet I live here in Idaho, had 10 acres, pasture/forest, built my own log cabin, dug a private well, installed a septic system and ran a small farm of 50 chickens, two dogs, three cats, 2 horses, 2 goats, 3 pigs, a small vegetable garden, three fruit trees, abundant growth of berries in the woods.
Sold extra large fertilized eggs by the dozen.
Made brain-tanned moccasins for supplemental income. Won a blue ribbon for exceptional workmanship at an Indian trade show.
My wife worked as nurse at local hospital and I did some proposal writing for Indian economic development of the local tribe.
All this provided almost complete self sufficiency. If we had had solar power to drive my electrical equipment, we'd have been in complete harmony with nature.
I believe that if we installed a worldwide restriction on the accumulation of excess wealth and excess waste, all persons alive today could easily live a sustainable life from natural resources.
Individual greed robs us from our ability to live in a symbiotic relationship with nature as a species.
The human species has become an invasive species, a parasitic species, slowly killing the biosphere of its host.
In what ways do you think they have been diluted, and what do you view as their original purpose?
Interesting subject. After our last posts I watched a few videos on American Indians prior to colonization. Their experience of nature was more symbiotic, though there are examples where even they caused some harm to their local environment. Yet for most nature was very giving.
As an example, Christianity was intended to bring people closer to God, in my opinion, yet it does more to drive a wedge between people and God. in my opinion. What Christ suggested threatened the power of the middlemen, who, of course, wanted him dead.
What grace is bestowed on the Pope that isn't yours too?
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