Yes, hope is not just wanting. It's more like really really wanting, like a lot. Like "I hope it doesn't rain when we have our parade."
I would prefer it not to rain, is generally what people mean. "I Wish It Wouldn't Rain" is a well known hook for songs, and that's about the size of that hope.
There's no guarantee that something that is hoped for will actually come to pass. That's the thing about hope.
That's obvious. What's your point?
The outcome is uncertain. I hope I get a toy train for Christmas. It might happen, or it might not. I know which toy train I really really want, but that won't help me to get it.
You keep making these obvious points.
What do you think I'm referring to?
No, I don't think so, unless by "faith" you mean merely that you have a kind of trust in your own capacities and ability to work towards the goals you set for yourself. But in that sense, "faith" is more like a place-holder for "confidence".
Okay, now we're getting somewhere.
"Faith" is the combination of everything, including how you go about achieving that goal.
Going back to the thread title. Faith helps to break down the barriers of what you think you can't achieve, if you have the strength to percevere. It allows you to gain knowledge you didn't have before, by being exposed to it.
If one simply sits down and wishes something to materialise, as you seem to be implying, one will receive exactly, the results of one's actions. Presumably, if one thinks something can simply materialise by wishing it. It follows that one knows how it can be done, and will work toward achievement.
But, the outcome of religious faith is even less guaranteed than the outcoming of hoping it won't rain on your parade.
It is "less guaranteed" because you are atheist. The whole notion of guarantee, is due to being atheist.
That's because the whole foundation of the trust, the hope, the "faith", is built on unstable ground.
What is unstable about it?
What if there is no God at all?
You think like that because you are atheist. You already do not accept, or believe that God even exists. As such you have no choice but ask these kinds of questions, or have serious doubts.
The problem is, you think you're position is right, and anything that contradicts it, is wrong. So you won't entertain the idea that you are currently incapable of comprehending God.
Then you're hoping for an impossible outcome. You're trusting an imaginary person. And your confidence is misconceived.
Theist don't think in that way, because it is obvious that God exist.
I accept that for you, God does not exist.
You need to start accepting that your atheism is your reality, and stop trying to make it everyones.
But nobody knows that God exists.
You don't know that God exists.
That's all you can know for sure.
Believers tell us that this "faith" they have is the "substance of things hoped for". It's as if wishing, hoping or having enough confidence in the concept of God will somehow instantiate that concept and guarantee the hoped-for God's actual existence.
Theists already believe in God.
Atheists don't know what that even means.
What you say is your perception, not mine.
And maybe if I just hope hard enough, the toy train of my dreams will appear under the Christmas tree.
Again, this is an atheist concept. It doesn't hold, because there is no comprehension of what or who God is.
Jan.