Is faith a reliable path to knowledge?

Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by James R, Jul 23, 2015.

  1. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    curious:
    Aside from a soul, can you name anything else that is immaterial and immortal?
     
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  3. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    Mathematical objects like numbers? The laws of physics?
     
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  5. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Because you do, doesn't mean everyone does. But this blatant elitism you display, seems integral to your worldview. Very interesting.

    For you, that is what it means.
    But the reality is, it is not the same for everyone.

    Jan
     
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  7. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    I can name concepts, but nothing immaterial can be said to exist and therefore cannot be mortal or immortal.
     
  8. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, I have a position on theism, deal with it.
    I know, theism is delusion. I don't expect theists to exhibit rationality in this area.
     
  9. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    That's a very strange question.

    Jan.
     
  10. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Because it's a philosophical question?
     
  11. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    are these examples not of our imaginations---constructs of man?
     
  12. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Can you name anything that is immortal?
     
  13. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Of course you do. Just like you have a position on God

    I accept your remark, because you are atheist. As an atheist you cannot come to any other conclusion, when pushed.

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  14. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    No.
    Because there is no point to the question. There is no satisfactory answer to be had.

    Probably that's why philosophers may love to tackle a question like that.

    Jan.
     
  15. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    What if we can't name it?

    Jan.
     
  16. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Is the soul philosophical?
     
  17. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    What do you mean?

    Jan.
     
  18. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Guess.
     
  19. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Why?
    Wouldn't it be more productive, if you just give some clarification?

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  20. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not ideologically committed to atheism, I have no choice. I have to consider the evidence, which is absent or illegitimate. And you have done nothing to change that. Your arguments are textbook special pleading fallacies.
     
  21. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Oh I see...

    You'd rather avoid the question?
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That you are not interested in an honest discussion of how the mind produces thoughts and how these thoughts can lead you to believe things that are not true.

    What are you doing here at all, if you dismiss everyone else's perspectives..

    If you cannot give me the courtesy of taking 15 minutes to watch a presentation by a neuroscientist, why should I give you the courtesy of taking you seriously? You are the one who is unable to define your perspective of your mental hallucinations.

    You just have your belief and ....end of story? As I suspected you are not here to gain knowledge, but to show the arrogant superiority of your mental hallucination. I've got you pegged now, and further discussion would be a waste of my time.

    Ok, if it makes you happy, stay in your hallucination.
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I'll agree partly with that.

    I do agree there are universal mathematical laws of physics (universal constants), but they are based on values and functions, not numbers. Without humans there would be no numbers at all.

    Perhaps a philosophical case can be made that Universal Constants are the soul of the universe
     
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