The psychology of atheists and theists

Discussion in 'Religion' started by James R, Aug 31, 2018.

  1. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Whatever the case, I am sure there are distinctions between God, religion, religious institutions and people who identify as religious. I don't have to descend into incoherence when discussing these subjects.
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Darwinian evolution.
    Nope. They evolved.

    Part of the psychology of overt Abrahamic theists is that something created whatever there is. That's necessary for a worldview in which someone must be blamed for everything bad.
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The problem, Musika, is that you are not discussing them.

    Tegmark makes a case for an abstract mathematical universe. Penrose suggests that quantum carries an abstact internal universal conversation. Bohm spoke of an abstract "insight intelligence", which borders on spirituality.
    All are founded on logical theoretical science.

    But what is the difference between this;
    http://www.theoi.com/Protogenos/Phanes.html

    and this;
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Christianity

    and
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_(cosmogony)#Greco-Roman_tradition

    and finally;
    On matters of such human importance, the assumption of one GOD or RELIGION is contrary to the natural tendency for diversity in evolutionary processes in understanding a concept of reality.

    The very concept of one GOD argues against the various other justifiable standard and moral concepts of GOD. By definition all gods should be representative of GOD.
    The only difference is in the degree of involvements this GOD has in people's lives.

    And there is not just ONE HUMAN either.....

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  7. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    The problem is that you discuss something about religion and society. When the obvious problems with your ideas are pointed out (mostly due to a sort of unawareness about history) you then revert to some sort of philosophical discussion. When the obvious problems with your ideas are pointed out (mostly due to a sort of unawareness about philosophy) you then revert back to the same sort of silliness about religion and society ... and on it goes. The amazing thing about all of this, is that you rely on your opponent to reiterate your discussion points because you cannot keep track of what you are talking about.
     
  8. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    ... yet here you are.

    Does problems with the adam and eve narrative establish critical issues with theism?
    No.
    Does problems with the adam and eve narrative establish critical issues with abrahamic religion?
    No.
    Does problems with the adam and eve narrative provide a crutch for abrahamic atheists?
    It seems so.
     
  9. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    So, to come to the point, you don't believe the bible should be taken dogmatically?
     
  10. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Then the universe is the “something”.

    As man hasn’t always been a part of the universe, how did man get here, if the universe didn’t create man?


    This statement wreaks of denial.
    You’ve convinced yourself that the eternal universe is so certain, you may as well accept it.
    Unfortunately for you, that is not the case.

    Busted!!!

    I’ve no real interest in whether or not it was created for humans. But if God wanted to create a universe for humans, God can. That’s all we need to understand.

    So does this “eternal universe” just keep on expanding? Or is going to just stop one day.
    What role does the expansion of the universe play, in an “eternal universe?

    How do you know it does?

    Let’s see how you handle the expansion scenario.

    Again, how do you know?
    You as an atheist accept and believe there is no God. How can you even know one needs evidence for God’s existence?

    Let’s see how you handle the problem of the expansion of an eternal universe.

    You’re not wrong when you say it’s a short answer. So short it doesn’t answer anything.
    How did evolution form mankind, and endow them with the ability to build civilisations, unlike any other creature the universe created?

    Yes you may suggest it.

    But you cannot know that there is no evidence of God, because for you there is no God. To claim that theists have probably been brainwashed into believing there is a God, explains nothing.

    Your attempt to replace God, with an eternal universe has not gone un-noticed.

    There are two solid positions that relate to God.
    Theist, and, atheist. One believes in God, and the other doesn’t.

    I don’t have to create any additional characterisations in a bid to justify my position.
    I simply refer to the designation, and job done.

    You have to add that all theists, throughout the entire history of mankind have been brainwashed into thinking they believe in God.
    Or that the universe is expanding eternally.
    Or that the universe, through an idea, namely, darwinian evolution, created not only the form of man, but endowed man with the ability to build empires and civilisations.

    It seems you are not content with being an atheist, you must dominate the very essential qualities of what it means to be a theist.

    Can you see how absurd your ideology is?

    “Even atheists seem to fear a higher power...”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/the-science-of-superstition/384962/


    Did you not read what I wrote.
    Killing is an aspect of the universe.
    Things are destroyed in any of a number of ways. Don’t you think it strange that annihilation takes place in an ever -expanding universe? Think about it.

    Jan.
     
  11. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Alex

    Because we wouldn’t be human beings anymore. Don’t you want to be a human?

    It’s not an inclusion. It’s part and parcel of your eternally expanding universe.
    God gives every human the chance to not have to endure the suffering. To come to our senses, and come to the realisation that we falsely attach ourselves to the material world. It’s difficult for those who believe, let alone for those who actively, explicitly, go around denying and rejecting God.

    You have no idea whether it is supported, or not.
    All you can assert, whether directly, or indirectly , is, there is no God. But we both know that is the reason you give for not believing in God.

    I forgot. Mockery helps with you delusion as well. Add that to the list in my previous response.

    Hopefully one day you will argue about God from the discomfort of your actual position.

    Not according to at least some historians.

    Jan.
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Because people who don't kill aren't human?

    Thank God most people don't think like you.
     
  13. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Again, what is your view on masturbation?
     
  14. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Are there people that don’t kill?

    Jan.
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    What happened to God creating the Universe?
     
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    What exactly do you mean by annihilation? You mean change or disappearance?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

    and
    . I don't think you meant to propose that, did you?
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No, I am consistent in my rejection of a God as defined in scripture and history. If it seems to you that I am all over the place, it's just the overwhelming amount of evidence against your arguments.
    It is you who is all over the place.......

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  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    The fact that you have to ask that says volumes about your view of the world.
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    This may be of interest in the discussion;
    Jan or Musika, does that make sense to you? It does to me, but not in any religious sense...

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    Note that Neoplatonism posits a mind (demiurge), not a physical thing.
    Maybe I am a Neoplatonist. Wow, I'll have to think about that......

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  20. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Can you answer it?

    Jan.
     
  21. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    to cause to cease to exist : to do away with entirely so that nothing remains

    The annihilation of a form.
    When the body dies, it ceases to exist, it is done away with, and nothing resembling the form remains. Next!

    Jan.
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Right, it does not disappear, it merely changes pattern (form) Does water cease to exist when it becomes ice, or a gas? The component parts are the same, the form changes.

    I would suggest you read up on some science and especially on potential (that which may become reality)......next!
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Mental or physical?
     

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