Race and Intellectual Achievement

[Ganymede]

The Discovery Channel is not a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

It is a television channel aimed at entertaining people..

Posting pictures that belong in an art gallery is not proof of anything.

You need to bring DNA evidence or similar, written up in a scientific journal and peer-reviewed.

Again, if you are making these claims you need to provide the evidence.

Ok, so now the most respected Scientific Channel on Television is just entertaining, not doing any real science. :crazy:

Ok, so lets get into the Science of it all. So here, I will show you why Egyptians are not Caucassions.

Blood group A is found in the highest concentrations among western Europeans. Unlike blood groups B and O, there are many varieties of group A. The major grouping, A1, accounts for about ninety-five percent of all A blood. The largest subgroup, A2, is found principally in Northern Caucasians. A2 is found in very high concentration in Iceland and Scandinavia, particularly among the Lapps, ancient settlers of the area. They are almost unique in their high frequency of A, and have the highest frequency of A2, registering forty-two percent in one group. The A2 gene is almost entirely confined to Caucasian populations.

http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/store3/template2/encyclopedia.html


Blood Type of Egyptian Mummies

Abstract

Serological and histological examinations of the muscles of the calf of an Egyptian mummy dated between the third and first centuries B.C. were performed. Human protein was identified, the ABO phenotype was determined as type B, and morphological disruption of the cells was observed.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=1caa16c912e68f61b2c15564b8e2b879

An international multidisciplinary team performed an autopsy on the mummy of Nakht, a 16-year-old Egyptian boy who died 3200 years ago.

The blood cells recovered from Nakht are believed to be the oldest known preserved human red and white blood cells. The authors also believe that the testing techniques employed in this study are reliable and hence feel confident that the Egyptian boy Nakht, who is 3200 years old, was blood group B.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&uid=684801&cmd=showdetailview&indexed=google

What Blood group do most Africans belong to?

There are routine shortages of O and B blood types. African Americans have more type O and B blood than other populations.

http://www.lifeshare.org/facts/raretraits.htm

So, I've proved, SCIENTIFICALLY that the predominant blood group of Egytian mummies was blood group B. The same blood group that's predominant amongst Africans today!

Drum roll.............


Checkmate

 

[DeepThought]

I will show you why Egyptians are not Caucassions.

But since I never said they were, exactly who are you trying to convince?

All the evidence suggests the Ancient Egyptians were an Arab/Berber people. The people who are indigenous to the region.

Blood type breakdowns (%) for people in this region, including Black Americans:

PEOPLE GROUP........O.......A........B........AB

Arabs....................34......31......29.......6
Sudanese...............62.....16.......21.......0
Bantus...................46.....30.......19.......5
USA (blacks)...........49.....27.......20.......4

Source

As you can see, the ethnicity with the highest preponderance of type B is the Arabs.

So, I've proved, SCIENTIFICALLY that the predominant blood group of Egytian mummies was blood group B. The same blood group that's predominant amongst Africans today!
Drum roll.............Checkmate

Your posts reek of desperation, the kind of desperation in which you do not even believe yourself the things you are telling us.

 

[Ganymede]

But since I never said they were, exactly who are you trying to convince?

All the evidence suggests the Ancient Egyptians were an Arab/Berber people. The people who are indigenous to the region.

Blood type breakdowns (%) for people in this region, including Black Americans:

PEOPLE GROUP........O.......A........B........AB

Arabs....................34......31......29.......6
Sudanese...............62.....16.......21.......0
Bantus...................46.....30.......19.......5
USA (blacks)...........49.....27.......20.......4

Source

As you can see, the ethnicity with the highest preponderance of type B is the Arabs.



Your posts reek of desperation, the kind of desperation in which you do not even believe yourself the things you are telling us.

But since I never said they were, exactly who are you trying to convince?

All the evidence suggests the Ancient Egyptians were an Arab/Berber people. The people who are indigenous to the region.

Blood type breakdowns (%) for people in this region, including Black Americans:

PEOPLE GROUP........O.......A........B........AB

Arabs....................34......31......29.......6
Sudanese...............62.....16.......21.......0
Bantus...................46.....30.......19.......5
USA (blacks)...........49.....27.......20.......4

Source

As you can see, the ethnicity with the highest preponderance of type B is the Arabs.



Your posts reek of desperation, the kind of desperation in which you do not even believe yourself the things you are telling us.

Your numbers only reinforce my position. According to the US census, Arabs are considered Caucassion. Now lets compre the blood type B amongst Caucassions.


PEOPLE GROUP........O.......A........B........AB

English... ..........47......42.......9........3

German ...... ...41.....43.......11.......5

French ..........43......47........7....... 3



And lastly, Arabs come in all shades, Alot of Black North Africans consider themself Arab. Take the Janjaweed Milita in Sudan for example.

So you lost the debate. Enough with your racist propaganda. You've failed to make your case.

 

[Ganymede]

Sphinx May Really Be a Black African

Published: July 18, 1992
To the Editor:

In "The Case of the Missing Pharaoh," (Op-Ed June 27), John Anthony West shows that the Sphinx does not resemble the Old Kingdom pharaoh Chephren, the traditional attribution.

The analytical techniques he and Detective Frank Domingo used on facial photographs are not unlike methods orthodontists and surgeons use to study facial disfigurements. From the right lateral tracing of the statue's worn profile a pattern of bimaxillary prognathism is clearly detectable. This is an anatomical condition of forward development in both jaws, more frequently found in people of African ancestry than in those from Asian or Indo-European stock. The carving of Chephren in the Cairo Museum has the facial proportions expected of a proto-European.

Thus, the Sphinx is likely a facial representation of a black African. Considering that the peopling of ancient Egypt derived from an ancestral mixture of Africans and Mediterraneans, facial soft-tissue analysis of this fabled man-lion would support a much earlier origin for the Sphinx, when Africans may have dominated the region. SHELDON PECK Newton, Mass., July 3, 1992 The writer is an orthodontist

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE1D7163DF93BA25754C0A964958260

 

[spidergoat]

Err... perhaps you could explain how this qualifies as genius?

I have the whole of human history, in which no black intellectual has emerged to be worthy of the title genius.

I repeat the definition of genius for you because you are confusing it with IQ scores:


Below is a list of the 100 most influential people in human history compiled by historian Michael Hart. SOURCE

Not one sub-Saharan African name. Is that because of my hate?

So I ask again, give me the name of one black genius, one.

Can you explain why you think Jesus, Buddha, and Mohammed were genius and George Washington Carver isn't? If these examples are genius, then so is Maya Angelou.

Genius is a subjective term, but I gave two examples of black scientists with significant achievements. I'm not sure what criteria you used to dismiss them.

 

[DeepThought]

So you lost the debate. Enough with your racist propaganda. You've failed to make your case.

I confused you I see by referring to Arab/Berbers.

The Berbers are indigenous to north Africa, having arrived on the continent before recorded history. They are genetically related to the Arabs since they migrated from the Arabian Peninsula, according to some anthropologists like Stephen Oppenheimer, almost 40,000 years ago.

Some typical Berber facial characteristics below:

Hence, their blood type B is greater in concentration than sub-Saharan Africans.

So, yet again I ask for the name of a black genius and their achievements. Just one.

 

[Ganymede]

Kush, the Egyptian name for ancient Nubia, was the site of a highly advanced, ancient black African civilization that rivaled ancient Egypt in wealth, power and cultural development. The first capital of Kush lay at Kerma just south of the Third Cataract of the Nile. Here dwelt powerful and wealthy black kings who controlled the trade routes connecting central Africa with ancient Egypt. The Egyptians, who had few natural resources of their own, sought the precious, exotic products of central Africa to satisfy the demands of their luxury-loving populace. By about 1500 B.C., the Egyptians, feeling threatened by the Nubian kings, invaded Kush and conquered it. For the next four centuries, the Egyptians exploited Kush as a colony. Egypt's wealth in gold came from the desert mines of Kush. The Egyptian word for gold is nub, which is thought by some to be the origin of the name Nubia.

http://www.pbs.org/wonders/fr_e1.htm

 

[DeepThought]

http://www.pbs.org/wonders/fr_e1.htm

What a nice fantasy story for black Americans suffering at your hands.

Is that how you keep them in control?

I guess so.

 

[DeepThought]

Can you explain why you think Jesus, Buddha, and Mohammed were genius and George Washington Carver isn't? If these examples are genius, then so is Maya Angelou.

Genius is a subjective term, but I gave two examples of black scientists with significant achievements. I'm not sure what criteria you used to dismiss them.

I don't see how you can compare Carver with Christ, Muhammad or Buddha. What has Carver done that is comparable?

Consider this list of geniuses:

Newton, Aristotle, Einstein, Plato, Confucius, Marx, Maya Angelou.

The difference is glaring, isn't it?..when they are placed side by side.

 

[Ganymede]

I confused you I see by referring to Arab/Berbers.

The Berbers are indigenous to north Africa, having arrived on the continent before recorded history. They are genetically related to the Arabs since they migrated from the Arabian Peninsula, according to some anthropologists like Stephen Oppenheimer, almost 40,000 years ago.

Some typical Berber facial characteristics below:

Hence, their blood type B is greater in concentration than sub-Saharan Africans.

So, yet again I ask for the name of a black genius and their achievements. Just one.

Your link didn't say anything about Blood group, or the blood group by any of those paintings, or Jpegs you posted.

Like I said, Genius is a subjective term. But since you want me to stoop down to your intellectual level i'll indulge.

Percy Julian was one of the great scientists of the 20th century. In a chemistry career spanning four decades, he made many valuable discoveries, for which he was awarded dozens of patents, 18 honorary degrees, and membership to the prestigious National Academy of Sciences—only the second African-American bestowed such an honor.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/julian/civil.html

When it comes to the next generation, there are plenty of creative geniuses to go around. Shoffner passed along a list of just a few of today's black chemists working on tomorrow's breakthroughs. All of them are fellows in the National Organization for the Professional Advancement of Black Chemists and Chemical Engineers:

James Mitchell, vice president, Materials Research Laboratory (Lucent, retired).
Paula Hammond, professor of chemical engineering, Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
Sharon Haynie, research associate, DuPont.
Greg Robinson, professor of chemistry, University of Georgia.
Joseph Francisco, professor of chemistry at Purdue University.
James Letton, research fellow at Procter & Gamble (retired) and one of Julian's former employees.
Isiah Warner, professor of chemistry at Louisiana State University.
Among the innovations these scientists have worked on are synthetic spider silk, eco-friendly "green" chemistry, alternatives to the ozone-depleting chemicals once used in refrigeration, and new blends of organic and inorganic chemistry that could be applied to nanotechnology.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/julian/civil.html

 

[iceaura]

I have the whole of human history, in which no black intellectual has emerged to be worthy of the title genius.

You have the recent revisions of the written history of China and Western Europe.

In which all the geniuses are White and Yellow, and appear in surviving written accounts. Funny, that. My guess is that all the major criminals and tyrants, all the major warriors and farmers, all the best athletes and famous accomplishers of feats in that past record, are also White and Yellow, and performed before literate historians, whose records survived to be incorporated into your records.

Can I point to a recent revision of your histories, which bears on your conclusions? Up until fairly recently, in the kinds of records you quote, Egyptians were black - members of the black race. And in most, they had had no geniuses. As LLoyd George, famous British statesman, put it during a time of trouble among the swarthy in the colonized Middle East, there was no reason not to bomb niggers.

After the firm demonstration of the true origins of the Pyramids and so forth, that was revised. The alternative would have been to include niggers in things like these lists of geniuses. Reclassification of race was simpler, psychosocially

That is not a scientific way of making such lists.

Now the civilizations of what we now carefully restrict as "sub-Saharan" Africa (there's a problem along the eastern side of the continent, but never mind) do not include all the black people on the planet. There is plenty of evidence of genius in aboriginal Australia (I mentioned the boomerang, which is a toy of that culture), the South Sea Islands (long distance open ocean navigation done routinely), apparently black people in the Americas (sophisticated irrigation and so forth, stone heads with classic Negroid features), and so forth. But no written records of names of the geniuses involved.

Are we to assume these inventions somehow sprung up by themselves, or are the products of chance somehow recognized by dummies ?

And are we to assume there will never be a better accounting of the innovations of sub-Saharan Africa, from before the slave trade and so forth ?

Or are all these people going to be redefined as Whites, as the Egyptians have been ?

And what about the Reds ? The Browns ? As soon as the Reds met historians with means of writing things down, they acquired geniuses. Before then, there weren't any. Make sense ?

It is utter bullshit, this kind of research

 

[spidergoat]

I don't see how you can compare Carver with Christ, Muhammad or Buddha. What has Carver done that is comparable?

Consider this list of geniuses:

Newton, Aristotle, Einstein, Plato, Confucius, Marx, Maya Angelou.

The difference is glaring, isn't it?..when they are placed side by side.

Not really. Jesus didn't even write anything. Carver knew more about biology than any of those figures. I would argue that Angelou created poetry comparable to any philosopher. I think what you are revealing is fame, not necessarily talent.

 

[Ganymede]

Jelani Aliyu, a Nigerian working at the US-based world’s largest automaker, General Motors (GM) plant in Detroit, has recorded a major breakthrough in the automotive industry in the US, with the design of a state-of-the-art electric car. "Chevy Volt", described as an "American Revolution"

A statement issued in New York by GM Tuesday, stated: "GM`s most electrifying advanced technology vehicle is the Chevrolet Volt concept, a battery-powered, extended-range electric passenger vehicle". "It uses a gas engine to create additional electricity. The technology behind the Volt concept, GM´s E-flex System, allows electricity to be produced from gasoline, ethanol, bio-diesel or hydrogen, helping to provide a global solution to diversifying transportation energy sources," it said. The statement added, that the car was developed by its lead designer "a soft spoken native of Nigeria and 1994 alumni of CCS, Jelani Aliyu after a 10-month marathon sprint to bring the Volt to reality". The CCS is the College for Creative Studies for automobile design in the US and it produces designers for all the automakers in the country.

http://www.eac-magazine.com/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=81&Itemid=1

 

[battig1370]

White peoples domination of science and culture is almost absolute, with important historical contributions, however, from Asians and Arabs.

DeepThought you should think deeper.

 

[spidergoat]

Mubarak Abdullahi’s home-made helicopter takes Nigeria’s Kano Plains by storm

Yahoo! News (among other sources) carries a story from October 21st about Mubarak Muhammad Abdullahi of the Kano Plains of Nigeria who has built a working helicopter over the last 8 months using scrap aluminum and parts from a Honda Civic, an old Toyota and from the remains of a crashed Boeing 747.

If that isn't ingenuity, I don't know what is.

 

[iceaura]

I would argue that Angelou created poetry comparable to any philosopher.

Uh - - - de gustibus non disputandum, but let's not base an argument about possible genius on Ms Angelou's poetry.

Unless we're comparing it to major philosophers' poetry.

 

[otheadp]

Achievement gets you into the history books.

White peoples domination of science and culture is almost absolute, with important historical contributions, however, from Asians and Arabs.

whites etc. had a head-start.
africans lived in tribes with out any need for high-tech innovation. when they were brought to North America they didn't really have a chance to study and/or demonstrate their potential. they have only recently been emancipated, so it's not surprising there are almost no legendary inventors from centuries past. but as their emancipation (legal and cultural) increased, there have been more and more achievers among them. expect to hear about more and more in the future.

i've met quite a few very smart black men and women in my life to make me believe that the Black Man's plight is not due to them being incapable. they're very capable.

 

[visceral_instinct]

Achievement gets you into the history books.

White peoples domination of science and culture is almost absolute, with important historical contributions, however, from Asians and Arabs.

because whites were the more powerful race, they had the opportunity.

There's extremely smart black people, if that's what you're getting at.

 

[DeepThought]

From the Myth of Black Inventiveness.

Peanut Butter

George Washington Carver (who began his peanut research in 1903)? No!

Peanuts, which are native to the New World tropics, were mashed into paste by Aztecs hundreds of years ago. Evidence of modern peanut butter comes from US patent #306727 issued to Marcellus Gilmore Edson of Montreal, Quebec in 1884, for a process of milling roasted peanuts between heated surfaces until the peanuts reached "a fluid or semi-fluid state." As the product cooled, it set into what Edson described as "a consistency like that of butter, lard, or ointment." In 1890, George A. Bayle Jr., owner of a food business in St. Louis, manufactured peanut butter and sold it out of barrels. J.H. Kellogg, of cereal fame, secured US patent #580787 in 1897 for his "Process of Preparing Nutmeal," which produced a "pasty adhesive substance" that Kellogg called "nut-butter."

George Washington Carver

"Discovered" hundreds of new and important uses for the peanut? Fathered the peanut industry? Revolutionized southern US agriculture? No!

Research by Barry Mackintosh, who served as bureau historian for the National Park Service (which manages the G.W. Carver National Monument), demonstrated the following:

* Most of Carver's peanut and sweet potato creations were either unoriginal, impractical, or of uncertain effectiveness. No product born in his laboratory was widely adopted.
* The boom years for Southern peanut production came prior to, and not as a result of, Carver's promotion of the crop.
* Carver's work to improve regional farming practices was not of pioneering scientific importance and had little demonstrable impact.

To see how Carver gained "a popular reputation far transcending the significance of his accomplishments," read Mackintosh's excellent article George Washington Carver: The Making of a Myth.

You guys kill me.

 

[spidergoat]

You can see his wikipedia entry to read the same things. While there is some myth-making going on with Carver, his achievements are still significant, especially in the context of the south at that time. I wonder if you are just as skeptical about the mythologies concerning most of the other people on your list.