I've never understood why the death of Jesus is important.

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Ivor Bigun, Oct 30, 2017.

  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    That's how criminals think.
    Laws are made to prevent someone else's whims from impacting my freedom.

    Without a licensed driver law, any unlicensed buffoon could get in a car and crash into me.
    Without a property law he could simply steal my car.
     
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  3. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I wish I was exaggerating

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  5. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    Yes, but I didn't understand it.
     
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  7. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Well, see, that's the thing: You're so uncommunicative, there's not much anyone else can do to help.

    We can't read your mind. I'm pretty sure you don't want us doing your thinking for you. For instance, there are ten lines, blocked as four stanzas, in your topic post. The first line restates the topic title—which, you know, just to guard against accidentally triggering your overactive proactive defesniveness↗, is perfectly acceptable, as that's how we catalog Dickinson, at the very least, and plenty of others, too—but the next nine don't really tell us anything. Simply asking you what you mean in each instance requires more effort than you've been willing to put into your posts.

    Like these six lines, that seem thematically related:

    And you say you've looked into it? The soteriological lines are interesting in no small part because you do not seem capable of identifying why questions of dying in our place, or sacrificing for some manner of justice are important. Observing that you are pretty much reciting the answer to your own proposition, the rest of us are left to, what, do your thinking for you, or is there something you can tell us about what is not connecting?

    Or, you know, perhaps can is the wrong word in this case. Are you unable, or simply unwilling?
     
  8. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    But yet, everybody still dies.
     
  9. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    If the innumerable readily available explanations for such are seemingly incomprehensible to the author, why on earth would he think that some random person on the internets might be able to clarify the matter?

    This sort of question is not in the same league as someone asking for an explanation of, say, the skin effect (in alternating electrical current). Again, there are plenty of explanations out there, BUT, in this example, it is quite conceivable that someone could explain the skin effect in an analogical fashion which may be more digestible to the reader.

    With the former (the import of Jesus's death), one may as well be asking just what exactly Prince Myshkin saw in Nastassya Filippovna. You can pretty much go with Dostoevsky's words, or those of subsequent critics, but otherwise you're pretty much on your own. If an overwhelming sympathy for her fragile state and whatnots are not sufficient for you, no one else is going to be able to offer up much else.

    In other words, it just seems like trolling.
     
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  10. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    ^^^
    Traffic lights are to protect us from each other.
    Pedestrian crossings are a joke when so many drivers act like pedestrians do not exist. Maybe that is different where you are but where humans are involved, I doubt it.
    No 1 said laws are not necessary but not all laws are necessary.

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  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Most laws are made to protect us from ourselves and each other.....that doesn't mean they shouldn't be there. Pedestrian crossings are necessary despite people disregarding them at times. I have done it many times myself...but they are still necessary. Yes humans are humans everywhere: That's why we need laws.
     
  12. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    My father died but his genes did not died ,His genes are in my sons !!!
     
  13. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    That's nice. What does that have to do with Jesus' death?
     
  14. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes they did

    Your genes and your son's genes are not the same as your father's

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  15. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Your point was everybody dies I said not the gene of your grandfather are in you,
     
  16. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    ^^^
    The "same" genes in descendants are not the ancestor's genes. They are duplicates.
    And they are mixed with duplicate genes from the other parents line.

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  17. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Close

    HALF of each partner are mixed to produce totally new genes

    No duplicate of either partner survives

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  18. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    ^^^
    I did not mean that all genes from each parent are duplicated, of course. My point to him was that nothing actually goes on&on.

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  19. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    OK and agree

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  20. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    It's entirely possible that after several generations, none of your grandfather's genes survive.
     
  21. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    I appreciate that you have put a lot of thought into your response, so I am grateful for that, but none of it helps me understand why the death of Jesus is important.
    The reason is that all the answers given to me so far do not actually fly.

    A common answer is that Jesus, who is the son of God, died so that we don't have to die.
    But he was only dead for a weekend, then came back to life and flew up in the sky to be with his father in Heaven.
    And we will die anyway, then very likely be on a one way trip to eternal punishment, which was just the same before he died.

    Nothing changed.

    If you think something changed, I'd like to know What and How, not just unjustified illogical dogmatic statements.

    Did the death of Jesus, God's only son, make God happy or satisfy his demand for blood ?
    How can human sacrifice possibly please God ?
    Would you be pleased if your son was killed in the place of some other guilty person ?

    I can equally address any other reason and dispense with it just as easily.

    Anyone can do it.

    Therefore I do not understand why the death of Jesus was important.

    My father died recently.
    That was important.
     
  22. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    So are you saying that I shouldn't expect to understand nor get anyone to explain in a way that helps me understand ?
    It seems to me that if I am to be saved, then I need to understand how and part of that is being convinced of the "truth", but if the truth is not comprehensible, then there is no chance of being saved.
     
  23. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    All good points and well thought out.
     

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