I've never understood why the death of Jesus is important.

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Ivor Bigun, Oct 30, 2017.

  1. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    So if my car doesn't start, should I smash up my computer ?
     
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  3. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    Attraction by a man for a woman is very easy to understand.
    Killing your only begotten innocent son to compensate for the sins of humanity doesn't make any sense at all.
    It's mad.
     
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  5. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    The Old Testament is the book of the Jewish people.

    It's very odd that the Jews don't find any predictions in their book about Jesus !
     
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  7. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    Exactly what happened after he died is not clear.
    It depends which gospel you read.
     
  8. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Sure
    Kill your son (who you know will be back in 3 days anyway no biggie)
    That will atone for all the sins of humanity in one fell swoop (? how, don't bother me with details, take it as a given - wish I never planted that tree of knowledge)
    BUT
    Anybody who likes to take up this off will have to believe it happened otherwise no dice
    (Umm can I work in a believe in one and get one free?)
    Better give a Get out of jail free card who have never heard of JC
    Must be fair

    Not just mad. It's drooling all day locked in a padded room insane

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  9. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    See, you're not even trying.

    Like Parmalee↑ said, it seems like trolling.

    And here is the basic reason why you're not accomplishing anything more than that:

    Part of the reason your act seems so clueless is because your only real concern seems to be yourself.
     
  10. origin Trump is the best argument against a democracy. Valued Senior Member

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    The Greatest I Am leaves and Ivor Bigun arrives spouting the same shit. I mean what a coincidence, huh?
     
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  11. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    You made your scenario. Let's look into biblical history first. As I mentioned read Isaiah , Jeremiah and Ezekiel slowly . there is a process in time and opportunity was given to the naughty boys for about 700 years than they were busted by sending them to Babylon as the remanent come back they were not following other gods. As they come back they come with a written Torah and people have been better educated and were able to read the Torah themselve . Tham come Jesus , He preached and was an example in his action to the people because the religious system was organized.
    Your example does not fit well to the Jesus coming and forgiving sins. taken from here " I am the way", "means follow my teachings , meaning if you follows his teaching your sins are going to be forgiving , You will not have to sacrifice an lamb or other animal. Sacrifice your desires, than you will be a better human.
     
  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    ohhhhnowiseeit...
     
  13. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    If you believe sacrificing your computer will save your car's eternal soul, and if you should care...Yes.
     
  14. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    I think jealousy is a very undignified emotion.
     
  15. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    In fact, my example exactly matches the religious idea that Jesus was killed in our place.
    It's called Substitutionary Atonement.
    Anyone with the tiniest bit of religious education knows about this mad notion.
    Or perhaps you haven't heard the "good news" ?

    Liberal theologians have worked out that modern people are not so easily fooled as they were 500 years ago, so they now like to concentrate on "Jesus Loves You".
    Jesus now represents that Teddy Bear you used to find comforting as a child.
    He loves you, despite all your sinful selfish possession obsession.
    Just give a few dollars more and he will take you into his loving arms and cuddle you.
    Creepy guy.
     
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  16. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    Good advice from a well informed and careful thinker.
     
  17. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    From the late great Dave Allan



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  18. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. The safer you are, the less the insurance companies have to pay out. Pragmatic meets practical.
     
  19. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Senior Member

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    Did you sue? The seatbelt was defective.
     
  20. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    And I find ignorance a tragic human condition.

    More to the relevant, the problem with your topic inquiry, that you've never understood why the death of Jesus is important, is pretty straightforward: You never wanted to know.

    The problem is that if you wanted to know, you would have looked it up by now. But you don't, so you sit around in ignorance, waiting for someone who meets your stereotype so that you can feel smart for knowing the definition of substitutionary.

    And nobody else can really answer because you are unwilling or unable to state your inquiry in some manner that actually makes sense.
     
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  21. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, I never sued , It never crossed my mind it have been over 20 years ago
     
  22. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    I wonder if the author of the OP is equally confused by this guy:

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    or this guy:

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    The disingenuity here is painfully apparent--if you're gonna attempt something like this, one would think you'd at least make an effort to demythologize, or at least throw in some actual historic context, or something... But instead, we get a failed attempt at reading a single text, and nothing more.
     
  23. Saun Karon Registered Member

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    From your remarks, it seems you understand more than Ivor, so please enlighten us with your apparently greater knowledge (if you are capable).
    I have my own understanding about the death of Jesus, but do you ?
    Or are you just picking holes because you don't like Ivor ?
     

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