I've never understood why the death of Jesus is important.

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Ivor Bigun, Oct 30, 2017.

  1. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    Exactly, but it doesn't work on everybody.
    There are lots of suckers.
     
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  3. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    I imagine for God is important the driver ( soul ) and not the vehicle ( our body )
    Apparently the souls are placed in the body for a study on how they can survive in an environment of desire and want.
     
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  5. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    Which one ?
     
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  7. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Read Isaiah , Jeremiah and Ezekiel .
     
  8. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    I suspect he rotted or was picked clean by wild animals.
    That's what normally happened to dead bodies left hanging up.
     
  9. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    I have heard this argument before, but if I don't understand animal sacrifice either.
    How can killing a sheep please God ?

    My father was a butcher and I've seen him cut the throats of chickens, sheep and pigs.
    I wasn't pleased.
     
  10. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    I am the same. No matter what the attraction or punishment is, I cannot believe.
     
  11. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    I've read all of the Bible.
    I didn't find any prophecies that are clearly referring to the death of Jesus.
    You can pretend that some vague "prediction" fits.
    None of them hold water
    If I say, it will rain, is that a prophecy ?
     
  12. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    So are you saying God doesn't know in advance ?
    That's a new one.
    I thought he was supposed to be Omniscient !
     
  13. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    Probably.
     
  14. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    Correct. The Christians were puzzled by the death of Jesus so that had to make up some reason. They failed. It doesn't work.
     
  15. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    How about this way : In the old covenant every sin committed by humanity must be payed . So to save humanity some one had to pay , so there come Jesus he was the sacrificial lamb , he was killed , He payed for our sins.
    Now we have a new covenant, believe in Jesus and your sins will be fogiven
     
  16. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    It all depends how you read, I have read it more then once. Various prophet have predicted pieces on how he was going to suffer ( I will read those 3 prophets for the fourth time, I want to understand God )
     
  17. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    You are to fast in pre judging , You read the bible to pre judge and to find faults.
     
  18. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Again you are to know to much , I don't I am trying to learn
     
  19. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    ^^^
    You prejudge. You read the bible to find support for your belief & until you can read it objectively, you will find in it what you want to find.

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  20. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    ^^^
    You cannot understand something you have no way to know anything about.

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  21. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    My understanding is that he was the perfect sacrifice to atone for our sins, the spotless lamb. Making an offering in much the same way was not uncommon back then. If you accept that Christ was the son of God, then it was probably the first time a god sacrificed himself for the sake of mankind.
     
  22. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    OK let's try a different way.

    Suppose I have 7 children, 6 boys and one girl.
    They all have pocket money every week.

    The boys will not do their homework.
    They won't go to bed on time and they are very cheeky.

    The girl, on the other hand, always does her homework, goes to bed on time and is respectful.

    Basically, the 6 boys are very naughty and the girl is well behaved.

    So I have a problem. What can I do about those naughty boys, hmm ?
    I don't want to punish them, because I love them.
    But I have a strong sense of justice.
    Somebody must be punished

    So I have a plan.
    I think it's a really good plan.

    I will take my one and only girl, up to her bedroom.
    I will take all her favorite toys off her.
    I will confine her to her bedroom for a weekend.
    She will have no pocket money next week.

    That will satisfy my sense of justice.
     
  23. Ivor Bigun Registered Member

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    Or, let's try this...

    My next door neighbor loves cats and I have a cute little puppy named Bengo and he loves biscuits.
    The cats come into my garden and dig up my seedlings.
    So what can I do about it.

    Well suppose I deny Bengo his beloved biscuits for a week.
    Would that fix the problem ?
     

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