Global Warming:The Politics and Science of Fear

Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by madanthonywayne, May 13, 2007.

  1. sandy Banned Banned

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  3. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Correct, but apparently you don't know the difference between local and global. Have you never heard of such a thing as "average" as opposed to extremes?????:bugeye:
     
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  5. Wisconsin Crippler Registered Member

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    Global Warming is not political to those who follow it. It is a religion, and all non-believers are criticized and cast as heretics and non-believers. The arrogance of the GW crowd matches that of religion...
     
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  7. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Rather absurd statements! :bugeye: Religion is a matter of faith with no supporting evidence. Climate change, on the other hand has quite bit of data to support it. The only real point of contention that I'm aware of is the question about humans contributing to it.
     
  8. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Nonsense and poppycock.
     
  9. Wisconsin Crippler Registered Member

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    My post was inrefernce to the attitudes that the GW enthusiasts take towards people who question it. There is absolutely room for debate about GW, and mankinds influence on it. I just don't appreciate the condescending attitude that that particular crowd takes towards those who do not believe.
     
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    Seems to me that's a pretty gross generalization. I've talked to many people who feel it may be real and FAR from everyone is condescending about it.
     
  11. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    There is room for rational debate. Unfortunately the debate in the common sphere is usually politically, rather than scientifically motivated.
     
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    Global warming (global hot air) is a crock. We have MUCH bigger problems than global warming.

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  13. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    Sure, but everytime we have a heat wave, it's trotted out as evidence of global warming. Even hurricane Katrina was seen as evidence of global warming (as though there were no hurricanes in the past!). If an ice sheet melts, it's global warming. Never mind that as some melt, others grow.

    We're sick of this crap, so we muddy the waters a bit ourselves.

    PS Did you hear about this?
     
  14. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    It's always cold in Antarctica, but a slight degree of average warming will make a big difference. You haven't disproven global warming by pointing to local cold spells, in fact, global warming could result in some colder than normal temperatures, as weather patterns shift. If enough fresh water interrupts the deep circulation patterns in the Atlantic driven by salinity, then Europe could be as cold as Siberia.
     
  15. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    Of course, of course. Whether it gets warmer or colder; global warming is the culpret. CO2 has the majic ability to produce "bad" weather. Be it too hot, or too cold. Either way, CO2 is responsible.

    And not just CO2, but CO2 produced by American factories. Well, CO2 produced by Republicans anyway. If you're a lib like Al Gore, your CO2 doesn't count.
     
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Here we have several examples of GW skeptics refusing to take a scientific look at the data, and attempting to mislead (whether deliberately or out of ignorance).

    I think with you it is probably just ignorance of the science.

    Global warming doesn't mean everywhere gets hotter. It means the average temperature of the planet increases. However, that average increase will have different effects in different places. Some places will get colder and/or wetter than they were before. Others will become hotter and dryer.

    More to the point, forecasters predict an increase in so-called "extreme weather" events with global warming. And what are we seeing? Time to look at the actual data.

    There has been a determined industry of spin doctors over recent years who have worked hard to create a false impression that global warming is simply not occurring. At a time when most climatologists accept that human-caused global warming is occurring, the general public could be forgiven for thinking that it's more like a 50-50 bet, and that scientists still don't know. But that's a function of PR, not science.

    You complain about the arrogance of the "GW crowd". What about the arrogance of the "GW deniers crowd"?

    Well, you're the expert. You'll tell us how it is.

    This is obfuscation. I don't know whether you're just parroting something you read somewhere else. If so, please take some time to look at the facts.

    Hurricane Katrina was an extreme weather event. When was the last time a major US city was decimated by a category 5 hurricane? But never mind that - perhaps it was a fluke that it hit a city. Try instead looking at the frequency of category 5 and greater hurricanes in general in recent years. Tell me what you discover, and then suggest a reason.

    Ice sheets, you say? Do a little research on the Greenland ice sheet, and tell me what you find.

    So, your obfuscation is deliberate? You know that GW is happening, but you wish to deny it? What's in it for you? HAve you actually thought through the consequences of denial?
     
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    The earth's average temperature is only about 9 degrees F above our last ice age.

    Global warming does not have to mean 900 degree temperatures in every town. it doesn't mean that places that are normally cold won't be cold.

    Part of the reason the Earth is warming is because we're coming out of the last ice age. Part of it is the greenhouse gas entering the atmosphere. The globe is warming, and there is no debate to that.

    The only debate is how much we affect it.
     
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    No serious climate scientist says that, you are refuting the words of amateurs and TV newscasters. Global warming can lead to an average increase in violent weather events, but it's hard to say wether any particular storm is due to that warming. The only honest answer is maybe.
     
  19. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    Yes. I am aware that average global temp has increased by one degree over the last century.

    But I'm convinced that anything we do to "fix" it along the lines of kyoto would do far more harm than good. It would be a gross waste of resources and accomplish squat.

    So yes, do research into alternative energy. Conserve energy when possible. But don't slit your own throat with unreasonable restrictions on energy use.

    If the seas rise, build dikes or move inland. No big deal. The seas rose a couple feet in the last century and it didn't make anyone's top list of problems affecting the 20th century.
     
  20. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    Exactly. But every fuckin' time bad weather hits or it's hot for a few days, we see all these reports about how this is further "proof" of global warming. So good for the goose.....
     
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  23. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Warming evaporates more seawater leading to greater rainfall, or snowfall when rainclouds are forced to higher elevations.
     

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