Global Warming:The Politics and Science of Fear

Discussion in 'Earth Science' started by madanthonywayne, May 13, 2007.

  1. URI IMU Registered Senior Member

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    >> Even if burning fossil fuels didn't contribute to the warming, it creates massive amounts of pollution. >>

    Yes, the world is s.l..o..w..l....y realising that if we do something, we must not leave any permanent footprint. Unfortunately the world's population is TOXIC, insane, in-toxicated and they know not what they do... totally unaware.

    Clean up our act... but with war mongers loose, the situation is totally out of rational control.

    There is only one way out of this..... join forces and prepare.

    I can assure you, the end of this world is very rapidly approaching... and it has nothing to do with war or what humans do or not do.

    The climate change will precipitate a HUGH hydrological shift away from viable life. If civilisation breaks down, then even if we had the will, or if we could do anything, I am afraid it is all lost.

    Meanwhile the climate is swinging, and doing what its parameters are dictating with no more reference to humanity.

    You will see the end in your lifetime.

    "The Death of Clouds"
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  3. Balerion Banned Banned

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    OK, so I admit that I do not know a great deal about Global Warming...only what I've been told on TV, which amounts to "Our planet is warming due to all the byproducts of our energy consumption in our atmosphere".

    That about sums it up, doesn't it? It at least sums up the mainstream message to America...

    Anyway, my fear here is that no matter what is true or what isn't, this is going to become a strictly political issue. If Al Gore decides to run for office again, then everything he has said will become something that can be attacked by his political opposition...and that is a very bad thing. If there truly is a problem, Gore using it to work his way into the White House (or Congress, or whatever) will be the end of whatever hope of a singular effort we ever had. Once it becomes about Blue and Red, people will both accept it blindly, and discount it blindly. Both of which are bad.

    It will mean that no average person will care about the science behind it; they will only care for the short answer--true or not--from their candidate. Putting this issue on the political stage will be the death of this issue, as nothing will ever be decided upon uniformly.

    Just like the war in Iraq...people are too busy fighting over it, that no solutions can be reached. The same will be true for Global Warming, if it is in fact a real problem. (And I do not say "if it is in fact real" not because I believe it to be false, but because I am speaking from an uninformed viewpoint on the subject, and would rather not jump on either side of the issue without knowing all of the facts)
     
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  5. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    Doing something reasonable such as researching alternative fuels, building more nuke plants, or switching to compact flourescent light bulbs is a win win. Imposing draconian solutions that cost hundreds of billions of dollars and accomplish nothing (like kyoto) is not.

    There is such a thing as opportunity cost. Hundreds of billions of dollars spent on CO2 remediation can not be spent on anything else. We do not have the hundreds of billions to waste,.
     
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  7. Singularity Banned Banned

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    I hope we Machines make it before u exit. U cancer of this planet.

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  8. Singularity Banned Banned

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    If u really care then stop watching the idiot box, its nothing more than propaganda machines.

    Instead open your eyes, use torrents.

    Now read this,
    http://www.truthout.org/issues_06/051407EC.shtml
     
  9. URI IMU Registered Senior Member

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    Your link just does not add up to a hydrological disruption, Singularity. Most evaporated water comes (used to come) from the ocean. Puny earth dwellers have very little sway about anything in the climate of the world... local maybe, but global, NO !

    I am very sorry to hear about RED and BLUE !
    Damn politicians, not one of them is worth anything, no scientific knowledge, no humanity, no sense.... LOL, yes they have cents, that's about all.
     
  10. guthrie paradox generator Registered Senior Member

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    It's too late. For years now, 90% of comments against Al gore and global warming have been something along the lines of "Al gore is a big fat lying politician, so global warming isn't happening".

    Madanthonywayne, Kyoto would not have cost hundreds of billions of dollars. It would have cost much less than that. I note that you do have hundreds of billions of dollars to waste on occupying Iraq.
     
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    That money is borrowed.
     
  12. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    Excellent.
     
  13. Facial Valued Senior Member

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    People need to get their heads out of the sand and admit that greed is a major force that is in some ways incompatible with solving the problem of global warming, and in other ways, compatible. We are all in this together, as human beings.

    Anthropogenic global warming that may change our lifestyle is a fact. That is not political.

    What is political is how to solve it. The starter of this thread was apparently a little slow to realize that.
     
  14. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    Sorry, I was a little low. It's already cost us hundreds of billions and that's without the US or Australia taking part! But hey, what's $100K per billionth of a degree? A bargan! How could we possible spend our money better!

    In other global warming news.
     
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  15. URI IMU Registered Senior Member

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    >> Water vapour was responsible for 95 per cent of the greenhouse effect, an effect which was vital to keep the world warm, he explained. >>

    Exactly. Water vapour is being removed and not replaced.

    yes -18C at night, +50C during the day.

    Now is that warming or cooling ?
    LOL
     
  16. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    madanthonywayne,
    Are you factoring the environmental costs of continuing the status quo? Presently, corporations are allowed to get away with ignoring the long term consequences of their actions. This is leading to a myopic and catastrophic situation where short term profits are all that matter. Someday, we will all have to pay the hidden costs of industrialization. It would be much better for civilization if we at least begin to require planning for long term sustainability.
     
  17. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    so the fact with global warming were screwing around with highly complex and powerful forces that we don't really understand all that well isn't that a big problem. when humans alter nature the pressures tend to build until nature pushes back hard. global warming could destroy the world as we know and need it to be for our survival. I consider that to be a huge problem
     
  18. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    his house doesn't use 20 times as much energy his energy payments are 20 times what most people pay. currently eco-friendly stuff costs more he really isn't using as much energy as you say he is
     
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  20. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    So you're saying the cost of energy is, perhaps, twenty times the norm where he lives?

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  21. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    no i'm saying that because of the investments to eco-freindly stuff energy costs more for him. its probably cheaper per a unit of energy for other people around him.
     
  22. madanthonywayne Morning in America Staff Member

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    Is this based on anything, or just conjecture? Even if it's true, do you really think the difference will make a dent in the 20X figure?
     
  23. guthrie paradox generator Registered Senior Member

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    Where on earth do these people get their "facts" from?

    CO2 contributes roughly 3 degrees of warming to the greenhouse effect, but we've increased the amount in the atmosphere by a third over the prvious natural level. This means we're due roughly a degree of warming from it. Or in other words the purported figures dont add up.

    Dont believe me? Argue with a climatologist:
    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/01/calculating-the-greenhouse-effect

    Ahhh, it seems your numbers are due to some uneducated person called Bob Carter.
     

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