Pinball1970
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Where does it mention Jesus?
What do you think: Christianity as a teaching is about?
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Мать Иосифа звали Эста. Её первый муж Илий умер бездетный, и его брат женился на его вдове согласно иудейским обычаем того времени, чтобы "восставить ему семя". Поэтому у Иосифа официально 2 отца: Илий и Иаков.
Давид не переживал событий описанных в этом псалме. Это считается пророчеством о распятии Христа.
Pinball1970
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Nope, it specifically mentions the actual father of Joseph, then grandfather, great grandfather and they are all different.
There are also a different number of generations.
Consensus is that both lines are not historical ie inventions. Certainly not consistent with each other.
Pinball1970
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By who? Christian apologists?
Pinball1970
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When did Jesus do this? Jesus was already long dead when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem.
"Your hand will lay hold on all your enemies;
your right hand will seize your foes.
9 When you appear for battle,
you will burn them up as in a blazing furnace.
The Lord will swallow them up in his wrath,
and his fire will consume them."
У древних иудеев оба отца считались настоящими. К тому же Иосиф не был отцом Иисусу. Но разве это так важно для понимания сути христианства?
Это откуда?
Pinball1970
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It is a contradiction and does not tie in with was known about first century Jews in Palestine.
First, they did not keep genealogies unless they were Royalty, the elite.
Secondly, the literacy rate was very low, perhaps 3 or 4%, only the wealthy and educated would be literate and Jesus and his family were not in either category.
Pinball1970
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Psalm 21
Так с этим же никто и не спорит. Всем известно, что апостолы были простыми людьми, рыбаками и пр. Но тем не менее христианство сумело стать учением, которое определило вектор развития Европы, России, и во многом обеих Америк. Как вы думаете - почему?
У нас он совсем по другому выглядит.
Pinball1970
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You mean why did a religion catch on and grow?
You mean like Islam?
The usual suspects are ignorance and fear of death but inherited customs, culture are probably just as important.
Pinball1970
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Depends who you think "the Lord" is, apologists stick Jesus in there somewhere but it is all just Yhwh.
Nothing to do with Jesus.
Like I said the prophets and early Bible writers were not clairvoyants.
When they did try they got it horribly wrong.
Так ведь религия уже была тогда - языческая. Почему она уступила христианству?
Я имела ввиду, что сам текст псалма у нас выглядит по другому.
Pinball1970
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Islam is the fastest growing religion in the UK, Christianity has been on the decline for a while now. The "no religion" is also on the increase.
Pinball1970
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That is because there are lots of different manuscripts that make up scripture. All written by different authors, scribes who copied edited, redacted and translated differently.
For example there are about 5700 manuscripts, complete, partial and fragmentary that make up the NT. Among them are 300,000-500,000 differences.
Most are small like spelling differences but some are large like Jesus not knowing when end times come or the Trinity.
Это происходит не из-за того, что коренные европейцы начали массово принимать ислам, а потому что Европа позволила себя заселить выходцами из арабских стран. У нас бы сказали:"свято место пусто не бывает". Т.е. культура, как и природа, не терпит пустоты. Вместо христианской культуры ничего другого такого же высокодуховного людям не предложили, вот и имеете то, что имеете.