What do you think: Christianity as a teaching is about?
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Pinball1970
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Depends who you ask/read and when.
Christianity is following the teachings of Jesus simply put but the tricky part of that is finding out what that is.
Jesus said plenty in the Gospels so you just use all of that? You just have to work out which parts of that, if any, are true.
You could look at Paul's letters? It is thought he wrote seven out of the thirteen but these texts do not always align with what Jesus preached.
You could look to 325 CE council and see what was decided there? Doctrine?
Or you can see what Jesus actually meant by his sayings by reading the progression of the various churches and popes and pick from there?
Or just pick on from today? Mormons, JW, Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterians, Methodists, Anglicans or one of the other 47,000 denominations?
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Пинбол, основная мысль христианства - какая?
Pinball1970
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I just answered that. It depends which source and time you want to use.
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Вы хотите сказать, что христианское учение можно по разному интерпретировать, в зависимости от того кто и когда проповедует?
Pinball1970
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I'm not a Biblical scholar I just read what they publish and consensus is that Jesus was an apocalyptic Jew, like many in the first century.
The end of times is coming soon, repent and receive the good news. (Paraphrasing Mark)
He was a Jew so that meant, be a good Jew, Keep the Jewish law be nice to each other and you will be received into the new Kingdom. Fail to do that and you will be destroyed by Yhwh.
The kingdom will be here on earth not up in the sky.
Make of that what you will.
Pinball1970
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No, I am saying that for the last 2000 years all the main actors have said different things.
If you are a Christian, just pick one.
Вы никогда не хотели прочесть Евангелия сами, хотя бы для общего развития?
Я думаю, что главная мысль христианства в том, что мы не можем изменить мир вокруг себя, не изменив самих себя. Можно менять различные общественные строи, но ничего не изменится, "плохие парни" всегда будут руководить. Другими словами: бесполезно лечить симптомы болезни, нужно лечить саму болезнь.
Pinball1970
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Jesus was not interested in the world around him, he thought it was going to end very soon.
Plus, "the world" as Jesus knew it then consisted of rural Galilee and not a lot else.
Perhaps they knew about the Roman Empire but that would not have meant a lot to them, they were not educated.
Perhaps Jesus did? He was quite special he may have even been literate.
He went to Jerusalem where he was arrested and executed.
Где вы такое прочитали? В Евангелиях нет ничего подобного. Вам всё же стоит их прочитать.
Первые христиане не боялись потерять жизнь, здоровье, и вообще всё, ради своих принципов. Сейчас люди измельчали. Мало кто захочет лишиться даже небольшого комфорта, ради своих убеждений. Зато ради этого комфорта многие легко идут на любую сделку со своей совестью. Мы это и наблюдаем на всём пути человечества, и даже сейчас.
Pinball1970
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You need to read up on what apocalyptic Jews thought during Jesus' time.
What do you think this means?
Mark 1:15
“The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!”
Or this
Mark 13:30 “This generation will not pass away before all these things take place”.
Pinball1970
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What things?
"4 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors."
The end of the world as we know it, Yhwh coming to earth to destroy evil, the devil and those who have transgressed.
Jesus the Messiah the new king and the son of man a powerful angel or god, the jury is out that.
All to happen before his followers died but they did all die within decades.
"4 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors."
The end of the world as we know it, Yhwh coming to earth to destroy evil, the devil and those who have transgressed.
Jesus the Messiah the new king and the son of man a powerful angel or god, the jury is out that.
All to happen before his followers died but they did all die within decades.
Так Христос же и принёс благую весть. Поэтому Царство Божие и приблизилось.
Произойдёт что?
Похоже на ядерный апокалипсис. Тучи пепла поднимутся и закроют солнце на долгие месяцы.
Христос говорил о последних днях.
Pinball1970
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No he was talking about the decades of the first century in Palestine, part of the Roman empire in which he lived.
Like I said, he was wrong, god did not come and he turned out not to be the next Jewish Messiah.
Jesus was talking about his religion, his time and place nothing to do with the distant future, Russia the UK and US and obviously not nuclear war. Jesus did not know what gunpowder or TNT was let alone a nuclear weapon. They had not been invented yet and those countries did not exist.
No he was talking about the decades of the first century in Palestine, part of the Roman empire in which he lived.
Like I said, he was wrong, god did not come and he turned out not to be the next Jewish Messiah.
Христос говорил о последних днях. Апокалипсис тоже об истории человечества. Вообще, в Библии многое образно, её нельзя понимать буквально. Кстати, наука до сих пор не может объяснить не только природу времени, но даже не может дать ему хоть сколько нибудь внятное определение.
Христос даже сказал специально для вас, что "о времени том не знает никто, даже Сын. А знает только Отец".
Pinball1970
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"Christ spoke about the last days."
Yes, in his lifetime which did not happen.
"The apocalypse is also about the history of mankind."
No it isn't, Apocalyptic thinking began with Daniel through into the time of Jesus.
Evil powers were in control and Yhwh was going to come, destroy them and the sinners and make his new Kingdom on earth rewarding the righteous.
" In general, much in the Bible is figurative; it cannot be taken literally."
Which parts?
"By the way, science still cannot explain not only the nature of time, but cannot even give it any clear definition."
Off topic, stick to the subject.
Pinball1970
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"Christ even said especially for you that “no one knows about that time, not even the Son. But only the Father knows.”"
The verse is "day or hour," not "time."
Jesus apparently knew within a few years.
Все пророки говорили о будущем, и Даниил тоже. И все они говорят о Боге справедливом и карающем грешников, а Христос говорит о том, что Бог есть Любовь.
"День и час" - это и есть о времени.