What do you think: Christianity as a teaching is about?

Mr. G said:
In case you wonder, my wife's family--10 years later--found a judge to annul the missives.

Took her off continent.

We've not spoken ever since.

You think you know about sorrow?
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Without more, I don't know whether to feel sorry for you or for her, Mr. G.

It does humanise you when I learn that you have regrets, however.

(Not sure why you chose to share this in this particular thread.)
 
C C said:
The Soviet Union went the "withering of the state" route -- with its lengthy tenure of overprotective totalitarianism -- rather than the libertarian socialism of Bakunin. Not that the latter would have succeeded either, but maybe acceptance that things just weren't working out would having happened sooner, or rivalry with other parties would have slipped in through the gaping holes of laxity.
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Indeed. The most obvious obstacle to success in either case is simply scale. There are a number of examples for success with either model, and, in some instances, relatively long term, but always on a much, much smaller scale--think islands (but smaller than the UK, of course), squats, etc.

And, as Marshall Sahlins and David Graeber have shown, something more akin to the Bakunian model was the way of the world prior the advent of the sedentary agriculturist lifestyle. Neither Cain nor Abel were exactly hunter-gatherer types, but Abel was certainly a lot closer--he had a great deal more of that most precious of all commodities: an abundance of free time.

Edit: Also, it's worth pointing out here that every other social animal, apart from humans, follow an essentially anarchic or communistic model, and with tremendous success. Moreover, will all that extra free time, they seem to have worked out that social hierarchies and other forms of stratification, based upon anything other than differences established through age and experience, are nothing more than antisocial bullshit.
 
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ольга said:
Probably, there are. But people of different religions have very different mentalities.
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It's no different than any other difference in worldviews. You might as well say 'rich people should not marry poor people'. Or 'Caucasians should not marry Asians'.

ольга said:
If, of course, they really adhere to their religions, and do not belong to them purely formally. Well, imagine that you grew up in Europe, were brought up on European values, and suddenly you had an eclipse of the mind and you married a Muslim. I have seen such marriages, I have such friends. Now you will have to wear a hijab, perform their Muslim rituals, and raise children in their traditions. Or you married a Muslim woman, you were forced to get circumcised, now you have to pray 5 times a day and go to the mosque to pray, and also not eat during the day during fasts. How do you like this prospect?
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Sure. Just like any two people will have to navigate any cultural differences they may have. It's not a problem specific to religion.
 
DaveC426913 said:
It's no different than any other difference in worldviews. You might as well say 'rich people should not marry poor people'. Or 'Caucasians should not marry Asians'.


Sure. Just like any two people will have to navigate any cultural differences they may have. It's not a problem specific to religion.
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Вы хотите сказать, что были бы готовы соблюдать мусульманские обычаи?
 
DaveC426913 said:
What do you mean "observe"? One can respect one's partner's beliefs without having to practice them.
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Это опять перевод чудит. Я писала не "наблюдать", а "соблюдать", т.е. исполнять их ритуалы.
 
ольга said:
This is the translation being weird again. I didn't write "observe", but "observe", i.e. perform their rituals.
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No, I know what you meant, even if the translation isn't clear.

Your husband is vegan; you are not. You can get along if you are reasonable and respect each others' choices. He doesn't force you to subsist on vegetables.

Your husband is conservative; you are not. You can get along if you are reasonable and respect each others' choices. He doesn't force you to stand up for conservative causes.

Your husband is Muslim; you are not. You can get along if you are reasonable and respect each others' choices. He doesn't force you to perform the rituals of his beliefs.
 
DaveC426913 said:
No, I know what you meant, even if the translation isn't clear.

Your husband is vegan; you are not. You can get along if you are reasonable and respect each others' choices. He doesn't force you to subsist on vegetables.

Your husband is conservative; you are not. You can get along if you are reasonable and respect each others' choices. He doesn't force you to stand up for conservative causes.

Your husband is Muslim; you are not. You can get along if you are reasonable and respect each others' choices. He doesn't force you to perform the rituals of his beliefs.
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Да, наверное вы правы - жена мусульманка весьма удобна для мужчин. Послушная, не перечит ни в чём, ходит в хиджабе, с другими мужчинами не общается, выходит в общество только в сопровождении мужа или отца, рожает каждый год детей, позволит завести вам ещё несколько жён, и т.п. Наверное, это выход для европейцев, чтобы повысить демографию. Европейские женщины, наверное вряд ли согласятся на брак с мусульманином, потому что для них это значило бы потерять всё, за что они боролись на протяжении последних несколько веков. Ну, пусть едут в Австралию или Китай. Говорят, там женщин не хватает.
 
DaveC426913 said:
No, I know what you meant, even if the translation isn't clear.

Your husband is vegan; you are not. You can get along if you are reasonable and respect each others' choices. He doesn't force you to subsist on vegetables.

Your husband is conservative; you are not. You can get along if you are reasonable and respect each others' choices. He doesn't force you to stand up for conservative causes.

Your husband is Muslim; you are not. You can get along if you are reasonable and respect each others' choices. He doesn't force you to perform the rituals of his beliefs.
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I would find all three scenarios quite problematic. The religious one, perhaps less so, but that would really depend upon just how religious she was.

Some might find the first one a bit weird, but I don't know. I've been a vegan for about 40 years, and I would find it incredibly difficult to live with a person who ate meat.
 
parmalee said:
I would find all three scenarios quite problematic. The religious one, perhaps less so, but that would really depend upon just how religious she was.
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The point is that general or all-encompassing judgements are bad.

Olga said that they think, in general, disparate religious persuasions should not mix. That is premature.

parmalee said:
I've been a vegan for about 40 years, and I would find it incredibly difficult to live with a person who ate meat.
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Sure. And other vegans do not.

Compatibility between marriage-hopefuls should really be determined at the individual level, not at the community level.
 
DaveC426913 said:
The point is that general or all-encompassing judgements are bad.

Olga said that they think, in general, disparate religious persuasions should not mix. That is premature.


Sure. And other vegans do not.

Compatibility between marriage-hopefuls should really be determined at the individual level, not at the community level.
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Я такого не говорила. Я сказала, что не следует смешивать разные менталитеты. Христианство, например, не запрещает вступать в брак с неверующими. Потому что религиозные убеждения могут и измениться. Я знаю немало примеров, когда атеисты становились верующими. Другое дело, если люди воспитывались в разных традициях. Это уже сложно изменить, потому что закладывалось с рождения всем окружением. Русские и европейцы, например, прекрасно понимают и принимают друг друга. Потому что, кто бы там что не говорил, и те, и другие являются белыми христианами по своей сути и воспитанию.
 
parmalee said:
Some might find the first one a bit weird, but I don't know. I've been a vegan for about 40 years, and I would find it incredibly difficult to live with a person who ate meat.
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Agree I could not live with a veggie, just too difficult. Did all that as a student and it was impossible in the kitchen. Different, utensils, different cutting board, area in the fridge.
Couldn't do it.
 
Mr. G said:
In case you wonder, my wife's family--10 years later--found a judge to annul the missives.

Took her off continent.

We've not spoken ever since.

You think you know about sorrow?
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They obviously got to know you and took the appropriate steps.
 
DaveC426913 said:
The point is that general or all-encompassing judgements are bad.

Olga said that they think, in general, disparate religious persuasions should not mix. That is premature.


Sure. And other vegans do not.

Compatibility between marriage-hopefuls should really be determined at the individual level, not at the community level.
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Marriage compatibility often operates at a deeper level than the lifestyle or philosophical choices seen on the surface. I know so many "odd couples" that live harmoniously. I'm agnostic (with a pinch of buddhism, in terms of seeing connectivity between things), married to a Catholic. But the way we see life, our sense of humor, our aesthetic/cultural tastes, etc all override the religious difference. In some ways, I would see the "Trump divorces" as making more sense than breakups over religion or what's for dinner. There truly is a stark difference in ethos (and possibly IQ) in that area now.
 
TheVat said:
Marriage compatibility often operates at a deeper level than the lifestyle or philosophical choices seen on the surface. I know so many "odd couples" that live harmoniously. I'm agnostic (with a pinch of buddhism, in terms of seeing connectivity between things), married to a Catholic. But the way we see life, our sense of humor, our aesthetic/cultural tastes, etc all override the religious difference. In some ways, I would see the "Trump divorces" as making more sense than breakups over religion or what's for dinner. There truly is a stark difference in ethos (and possibly IQ) in that area now.
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Расскажите, пожалуйста, что Вы имеете ввиду говоря о "взаимосвязи между вещами" и буддизме. Я немного изучала восточные учения в юности, мне было интересно(хотя, кто не увлекался этим в юности?)
 
TheVat said:
But the way we see life, our sense of humor, our aesthetic/cultural tastes, etc all override the religious difference. In some ways, I would see the "Trump divorces" as making more sense than breakups over religion or what's for dinner. There truly is a stark difference in ethos (and possibly IQ) in that area now.
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I concur. Using myself and my wife as an example, our views on choice/abortion, inclusivity, healthcare, etc. are WAY more practical, everyday issues than our views on the nature of cosmic spirituality.
 
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