Vociferous
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Then cite some.
You'll have to take that up with iceaura then.
If you find it more plausible than windmills causing cancer, etc. that's your problem.
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If you find it more plausible than windmills causing cancer, etc. that's your problem.
Kids learn better by doing their own homework.
Latest example - an easy one for you: compare what most Americans think the Post Office is or should be with
1) the stated policies of any national Republican politician toward it
2) the stated policies of the national establishment Democrats, the Party leadership, toward it
3) AOC's stated policies toward it.
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In reading through this thread and in having discussions ''in real life'' with friends about Trump and the upcoming election, I wonder if at the end of it, we tend to interpret the news to fit our pre-existing biases? I say this because I feel that the anti-Trump camp can be just as vehement about their views as the pro-Trump camp. Living with extreme views can cause us to become closeminded to listening to opposing opinions.
That's like saying the anti-white supremacist camp is vehement about their views towards white supremacists.
I wouldn't describe being anti-white supremacist as "closed minded."
Let's swap out Trump for Republicans, then. All republicans are not supporters of Trump nor are they white supremacists. To think so, kind of proves my point, here.
My overall point being, that if we are not capable of criticizing those we mainly support (simply because it's the party we affiliate with, let's say) then we have become extremist in our views, which isn't healthy in the long run.
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So, Trump has lied over 16K times since he became president, has paid off a hooker, says he loves to grab pussy and has used the office for his personal gain, hence the anti-Trump camp wants him removed from power, and this is supposed to be closed minded, vehement and a bad thing? Okee dokee.
No one said all republicans are white supremacists, however Trump has stated there are good people on the pro-white supremacist camp. If folks are extreme about their views against this, how is that unhealthy?
What's unhealthy is allowing Trump to have gotten away with all of things he's done, which means the anti-Trump camp is nowhere near as vehement and extreme about their views on this matter.
Yazata
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More so, in my estimation.
We have "antifa" thugs doing their best Hitler-brown-shirts imitations, trying to intimidate their opponents into silence by violence. We have local police forces being ordered to stand down by local politicians to let them do it. Where I live, anyone wearing a MAGA hat would probably be physically assaulted. Certainly insulted and spit on.
And it's all justified by this incredible assumption of self-righteousness. They are fighting "fascism"! They are fighting "white supremacy"!! The self-bestowed righteousness of their cause justifies any kind of violation of other people's rights, provided only that those other people be labeled (however inaccurately) "fascists" or "racists".
Never mind respecting opponents' Constitutional rights of free speech and free assembly.
Politics has taken over the same kind of social role played by religion centuries ago. The assumptions of one's own moral superiority and the desire to eliminate anyone who is different remains just the same.
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Wearing a MAGA hat is almost equivalent to wearing a Swastika.
Hmm. Would you say the people in the anti-sexual-assault camp are closed minded, because they are vehement in their opinions?
That's possible. But keep in mind that that's largely because MAGA people assault and murder protesters. Yes, it would be great if both sides stopped.
Any evidence for this, or is it just bullshit speculation?
Are you saying that Democrats never sexually assault women? Quite a few with celeb/powerful status who don’t identify as Republican (some identify as Democrat) have been accused, so not sure what you mean? I think there’s a bias that because Trump has been accused of sexual assault, most Republicans are okay with it?
So then how about Democrats who are in powerful positions who have been accused of sexual misconduct?
Think it’s safe to say that when it comes to sexual misconduct, it’s not about one’s political affiliation.
Al Franken resigned over allegations of "touching." Trump has been credibly accused of assault by three dozen women, and rape by three women--has any Republican asked him to resign?
When they don't demand accountability, it kinda means that they're perfectly OK with sexual assault, no?
Maybe they have but we don’t know about it. I’m not a Trump supporter but I know Republicans who can’t stand him and are ashamed that he represents the party.
ETA - I’m not only speaking of Democrats in politics, I’m talking about celebs and powerful men at news networks etc. who have been accused of sexual assault and misconduct. (who identify as Democrats)
They were busy bashing Trump for the same misconduct they themselves were eventually accused of. The point being that many Democrats view the Republican Party as the misogyny party. The #metoo movement has revealed that men from all political affiliations, race and background can be womanizers and misogynists.
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?? Not at all. I know some have. Let's say you oppose one (let's call him Joe Democrat) for that reason. Does that mean you are closed minded?
And yes, that's a rhetorical question. Opposing someone (or supporting someone) does not mean someone is closed minded.
Not just okay with it - some actually defend it. "It's just locker room talk." "These women want the attention." "He said, she said." And yes, I oppose such people. If that makes me closed minded, so be it.
I am sure they exist. And they are mostly keeping that (public) opinion to themselves, because Trump is benefiting them. They assuage their shame by seeing their poll numbers rise through their support for Trump.
These are fair opinions yet there’s always “some” in every group, when it comes to defending bad behaviors, whatever they may be.
Have you ever liked/respected a Republican President? (historically speaking, in your lifetime or before)
Among voters, certainly, but politicians? If a Republican politician had voiced opposition to Trump being a serial rapist, we would most definitely know about it. The strongest "opposition" we've yet heard is to the Access Hollywood tapes: a couple of Republicans said that, because they had a mother or a daughter, they didn't much care for it--woo hoo! What the hell does that even mean? They have to have a mother or daughter in order to feel any empathy for women?
Of course, but where are the demands for accountability coming from?