Open Debate: Evolution.

superluminal said:
Well, I don't really have any actual theists who are actual friends (just aquaintances) and certainly no muslim friends here in beautiful fundamentalist xian south-central PA. So, sure! Why not? :)
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Yaahaa, I sorta figured that out when you qualified it thataway :)
 
(Q) said:
You keep describing people as violent in nature, and then in the same breath extole the virtues of your religion as guidlines to peaceful living. Yet, you fail to acknowledge that we've been living under theist rule and theist mindset for centuries, which has over that time infiltrated every fiber of society. There is the cause of your inherent violence.

Without religion, we have the ability to reason living a life of not doing harm to others and to rationalize the benefits of coexisting peacefully with one another.
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How can you tell?

If you look at the history of violence in the world; it may be common religion that has kept people from completely wiping each other out.







Oh dear has the margarita worn off? :(
 
I mean look at the Middle East; if they did not share a religion, whats to keep them from killing each other for the oil? Same reason nobody invades Saudi Arabia, inspite of their brutalities.
 
(Q) said:
You keep describing people as violent in nature, and then in the same breath extole the virtues of your religion as guidlines to peaceful living. Yet, you fail to acknowledge that we've been living under theist rule and theist mindset for centuries, which has over that time infiltrated every fiber of society. There is the cause of your inherent violence.

Without religion, we have the ability to reason living a life of not doing harm to others and to rationalize the benefits of coexisting peacefully with one another.
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Hi (Q).

I respectfully disagree. Humans are inherently violent because of their genes. If you look at the natural world for other examples, we're also inherently peacful by comparison. We have innate mechanisms that stop deadly conflict (compromise, consiliation, cooperation). I do agree however that religion is like giving an AK47 to a testosterone saturated teenager who just got his girlfriend stolen away by Bruno down the street. The outcome is never very good...
 
samcdkey said:
So why did the communists fight? Weren't they officially atheists?
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Let's not get too extreme one way or the other. I happen to believe that religion is one in a bag of reasons that humans fight.

Ideologies (religious or otherwise) are good reasons because they define the group, which is vital for the survival of the individuals in that group.

There's

- Resources
- Ideologies
- Females (of course)
etc...
 
Ya in India we say men fight for 3 things

Zar - money, power

Zan - women

Zameen - land
 
superluminal said:
And I sort of defended you!

I'm running away... :eek:
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Its a good thing I'm an independent woman; the quality of men available these days is deplorable!!

Must be an evolutionary accident somewhere?
 
You got it. How else do you think our mammal-like ancestors evaded the dinosaurs for millions of years?
 
Last I heard those guys were so slow we could have run circles around them...unless they stepped on you. That would have been a mess. Probably why they took to the air ( if that is true?)
 
samcdkey said:
All I know about evoultion I learned from animation films :)
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Ugh! Sort of like your lemmings tossing themselves off a cliff due to what was it? Lemming depression or something?

And yea, birds are 99.999765% certainy the living descendants of theropod dinosaurs (T-rex, Allosaurus, velociraptor, etc.).
 
superluminal said:
Ugh! Sort of like your lemmings tossing themselves off a cliff due to what was it? Lemming depression or something?

And yea, birds are 99.999765% certainy the living descendants of theropod dinosaurs (T-rex, Allosaurus, velociraptor, etc.).
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:eek: oh dear was that you? another example of my mouth taking over my brain.

I'm glad the animation films are closer to the truth these days.
 
So how did the dinosaurs transform into birds while we're still dragging our feet?

What did they have that we didn't?
 
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