NY Governor, Eliot Spitzer, To Resign

Without getting into whether prostitution should be legal or not, this is another example of the arrogance we see with some people in power. A rich man who could have afforded to fly somewhere that allows such transactions, he chose not to stay within the parameters of the law.

He had plenty of options to act out on his desires without breaking the law.
 
Without getting into whether prostitution should be legal or not, this is another example of the arrogance we see with some people in power. A rich man who could have afforded to fly somewhere that allows such transactions, he chose not to stay within the parameters of the law.

He had plenty of options to act out on his desires without breaking the law.

there is so much work to do in NY, God knows if he had left for a day the NY businessmen would have eaten him up.
 
It's NY's loss that Spitz lacked self control and committed the crime to begin with. The resignation itself is not a loss. Count's response exactly explains why.

See my previous response.

I just think he's a great man for what he had done as an Attourney General. His performance as a governor is much worse... so he should go, but not because he has been visiting prostitutes.
 
his mistake was that he did not inspect the prostitutes beforehand to make sure they are not wired, and didn't have a middle man to do the deals for him.
 
His mistake was visiting a prostitute.

However, the libertarian pro-legalizing-prostitution part of me is glad to see him and his hypocrisy go.
 
His mistake was visiting a prostitute.

However, the libertarian pro-legalizing-prostitution part of me is glad to see him and his hypocrisy go.

look when a man visits a prostitute at his age it means that his wife isn't giving him what he needs. And a man got needs all-right. He should have kept the business at a closer watch, payed them more or something.
 
look when a man visits a prostitute at his age it means that his wife isn't giving him what he needs. And a man got needs all-right. He should have kept the business at a closer watch, payed them more or something.

I wonder if a divorce judge would give her more than half now. She should really kick him hard now that hes down :)
 
More to the story

To reiterate Digby's point at Hullabaloo:

Obviously Spitzer's in big trouble and is very likely to resign. When you build your career as a self righteous crusader, you don't get the benefit of the doubt on stuff like this. But there are questions that should be asked. It is unusual to release the names of johns and it's weird that we still don't know why the feds were wiretapping on some seemingly inconsequential prostitution case in the first place. Is that something the feds spend a lot of time doing these days?

Far be it for me to mistrust the Bush Justice department or think they might have partisan motives, but it might be worth asking whether there might be a little partisan prosecutorial hanky panky involved. It certainly wouldn't be the first time.


(Digby)

And to consider Jane Hamsher's musings at Firedoglake:

ABC is reporting that Eliot Spitzer came under the attention of the Feds because his bank reported "suspicious money transfers" to the IRS. The Justice Department brought it to the FBI's Public Corruption Squad, who looked into it and found that payments were made to a company called QET, which did business as The Emperor's Club.

All kinds of questions arise here:

1. Why would the bank tell the IRS and not Spitzer himself if there was a suspicious transfer? Spitzer is a longtime client, a rich guy and the governor. We're talking thousands of dollars here, not millions. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense that they spotted a "suspicious transfer" made by the governor, and that this is how things began. It's possible it was just ordinary paperwork the bank had to file with the government whenever some particular flag was raised, but if that's the case, why did the DoJ go to DefCon 3?

2. What is a USA doing prosecuting a prostitution case? This isn't normally what the feds spend their time with.

3. Mike Garcia is a Chertoff crony. Sources familiar with the investigation say that he sent a prosecution memo to DC two months ago asking for authority to indict a public figure (Spitzer). Which means they had their case made long before the wire tap of February 13. Why did they then include this line from that conversation in the complaint?
LEWIS continued that from what she had been told "he" (believed to be a reference to Client-9) "would ask you to do things that, like, you might not think were safe -- you know -- I mean that...very basic things...."Kristen" responded: "I have a way of dealing with that...I'd be like listen dude, you really want the sex?...You know what I mean."​
This salacious detail does not seem like it's necessary to make their case, and appears to be added for no other purpose than to destroy Spitzer's career.


(Hamsher)

Ooooh. A conspiracy theory. Or something. Hamsher also questions the leak of Spitzer's name, pointing out that Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) wasn't leaked from a federal investigation. She also wonders about Mike Bloomberg's recent talk of running for governor and a half-million given to Joe Bruno, said to be a pal of Attorney General Mike Mukasey, and also a target of one of Spitzer's investigations over the years.

Naturally, none of it proves anything, but I mention this aspect because a friend of mine just sent me an article that ran in the Washington Post last month, written by Spitzer. (He sent a link from Truthout, where the editors have included a note that, "The following article was published in The Washington Post the day after New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer allegedly engaged the services of a call girl at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington, DC".)

Several years ago, state attorneys general and others involved in consumer protection began to notice a marked increase in a range of predatory lending practices by mortgage lenders. Some were misrepresenting the terms of loans, making loans without regard to consumers' ability to repay, making loans with deceptive "teaser" rates that later ballooned astronomically, packing loans with undisclosed charges and fees, or even paying illegal kickbacks. These and other practices, we noticed, were having a devastating effect on home buyers. In addition, the widespread nature of these practices, if left unchecked, threatened our financial markets.

Even though predatory lending was becoming a national problem, the Bush administration looked the other way and did nothing to protect American homeowners. In fact, the government chose instead to align itself with the banks that were victimizing consumers ....

.... In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the OCC invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative. The OCC also promulgated new rules that prevented states from enforcing any of their own consumer protection laws against national banks. The federal government's actions were so egregious and so unprecedented that all 50 state attorneys general, and all 50 state banking superintendents, actively fought the new rules.

But the unanimous opposition of the 50 states did not deter, or even slow, the Bush administration in its goal of protecting the banks. In fact, when my office opened an investigation of possible discrimination in mortgage lending by a number of banks, the OCC filed a federal lawsuit to stop the investigation.

Throughout our battles with the OCC and the banks, the mantra of the banks and their defenders was that efforts to curb predatory lending would deny access to credit to the very consumers the states were trying to protect. But the curbs we sought on predatory and unfair lending would have in no way jeopardized access to the legitimate credit market for appropriately priced loans ....


(Spitzer)

The 1863 National Bank Act? The White-Slave Traffic Act of 1910 (aka Mann Act)? To give credit where credit is due, Bush administration officials do seem to know how to find what they need to do what they want.

Of course, that should make us wonder why the administration wants Congress to do such ridiculous things as give telecommunication companies blanket immunity for past behavior that may have broken the law. Maybe it's because there's nothing to find°?

There's more to this story than just the issue of prostitution and conspiracy theories. It provides a suggestive glimpse of the ways of the Bush administration. Not that anybody actually cares, though. Glimpse? The whole world has seen their dirty laundry on display, and it's simply too great a blow to our national pride to admit in any substantive way that our president and his cronies are crooks above and beyond the standard typically acknowledge by our warped cultural cynicism.
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Notes:

° nothing to find — See Greenwald, "Targeting Bad Democrats (Update)":
The New York Times' Eric Lichtblau this morning reports that the current House version of the bill actually contains some relatively decent provisions. The most significant, in my view, is a provision that -- instead of granting amnesty -- would allow telecoms to submit any classified information to the court to demonstrate that they did not break the law.

The primary excuse from telecoms has been that, while they acted legally, they are unfairly barred from proving their innocence in court because the administration has asserted a "state secret" privilege over the exculpatory documents, thus preventing them from using those documents in court to defend themselves. That claim has always been deceitful, because under FISA (50 USC 1806(f)), telecoms are already explicitly permitted to present any evidence in support of their defenses -- including classified evidence -- in secret (in camera, ex parte) to the judge and let the judge decide the case based on it.

But this provision in the House bill would eliminate all doubt and remove the central excuse as to why telecoms need amnesty if they did nothing wrong. In that regard, that provision has the potential to change the nature of the debate ....​

Works Cited:

Digby. "Mann-date". Hullabaloo. March 10, 2008. http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/mann-date-by-digby-to-those-of-you-who.html

Hamsher, Jane. "Some Questions About the Spitzer Incident". Firedoglake. March 10, 2008. http://firedoglake.com/2008/03/10/some-questions-about-the-spitzer-incident/

Ash, Marc. "Editor's Note: Eliot Spitzer — Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime". Truthout.org. Viewed March 12, 2008. http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/031208J.shtml

Spitzer, Eliot. "Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime". Washington Post. February 14, 2008; page A25. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/13/AR2008021302783.html

Greenwald, Glenn. "Targeting bad Democrats". Unclaimed Territory. March 11, 2008. http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/03/11/democrats/index.html

See Also:

Gray, Geoffrey. "The Un-Reformed". New York. March 1, 2008. http://nymag.com/news/features/44755/

Lichtblau, Eric. "House Steers Its Own Path on Wiretaps". New York Times. March 11, 2008. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/washington/11fisa.html

Legal Information Institute. "50 USC 1806". http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/usc_sec_50_00001806----000-.html
 
by all accounts was no small criminal enterprise. The Feds wouldn't have wasted their time if it was.
I'm still wondering about that.

Comparing Vitter's case, for example (did he resign?) or Craig's (did he resign?) we see plenty of hypocrisy in the principals - but no quick name leaks by the Justice Department, etc.

Or going back a ways, we have a certain Governor of Texas putting people away with quite severe punishments for cocaine abuse and the like, but no Justice Department involvement - at least no leaks of names, etc - in the various hypocrisies involved, even after national office sought.

And in the publicity surrounding the Attorneys General mess (an ongoing mess) we were informed that among Federal allegations (release of names, etc) of crimes committed by public officials over the time span of Spitzer's alleged offenses - much hyposrisy involved - we had a 7/1 Party ratio in the affiliations of those officials.

So let's say he's guilty, and the blatant hypocrisy involved forces resignation from an office of symbolic as well as executive importance. No problem. Next question: was he targetted ?
 
count said:
Not according to the story I posted yesterday.
Nothing in any articles you posted answers any questions about Spitzer's being targetted.

Just the opposite. An investigation of Spitzer is supposed to have led to the prostitution ring, rather than the other way around.
 
All Democratic politicians with criminal tendencies, wake up! Your bank records and tapes of your phone calls may be available to republican political operatives out do destroy your career. Don't make life easy for them. Stop doing crimes!
 
Bells, who decides what cases the DDP procides with?

Do indervidual procicuters have a choice?
I doubt it, yes he procicuted criminals for prostitution
So what?
If a cop happens to speed once does that mean he should never arest people for speeding?
What about a procicuter who speeds because he is late to a murder trial say, yes he did the wrong thing so he should never procicute someone who is charged with coulpiable driving?

Procicuting was his JOB, i dont personally like the food at the place i currently work and would NEVER eat there. I do however need the money so i will cook what they want and eat at a restraunt i find more palatable. This doesnt make me a hypocrit, it makes me a money whore but thats what i need to do until i finish my degree. What about a microsoft employee who owns a mac, are they a hypocrit or just someone who does what they need to do to survive?
 
Procicuting was his JOB, i dont personally like the food at the place i currently work and would NEVER eat there. I do however need the money so i will cook what they want and eat at a restraunt i find more palatable. This doesnt make me a hypocrit, it makes me a money whore but thats what i need to do until i finish my degree. What about a microsoft employee who owns a mac, are they a hypocrit or just someone who does what they need to do to survive?

That's a horrific comparison. Asguard, you WOULD be a hypocrite if you sold food to people that was poison, but wouldn't eat the food yourself. Beyond whatever comparisons you can come up with, THIS GUY SWORE AN OATH to uphold the laws of the land, he then IMPRISONED PEOPLE for breaking those VERY SAME LAWS THAT HE BROKE. That is THE textbook definition of hypocrisy. Just because you don't eat the food at your establishment doesn't even compare, it's not in the same ball park or general spatial-dimension. Spitzer sold himself on a bill of goods that promoted peace, honesty and GOOD GOVERNMENT, he then broke from that platform, broke the laws, all the while he was balls-deep in hookers.

~String
 
Bells, who decides what cases the DDP procides with?

Do indervidual procicuters have a choice?
I doubt it, yes he procicuted criminals for prostitution
So what?
If a cop happens to speed once does that mean he should never arest people for speeding?
What about a procicuter who speeds because he is late to a murder trial say, yes he did the wrong thing so he should never procicute someone who is charged with coulpiable driving?

Procicuting was his JOB, i dont personally like the food at the place i currently work and would NEVER eat there. I do however need the money so i will cook what they want and eat at a restraunt i find more palatable. This doesnt make me a hypocrit, it makes me a money whore but thats what i need to do until i finish my degree. What about a microsoft employee who owns a mac, are they a hypocrit or just someone who does what they need to do to survive?
Does the department have a choice? Yes. Usually, once it is found that a case can be made, the case is allocated to the prosecutors. But each country and state is different.

The issue here is that Spitzer had been the Attorney General for the State. He made the decision and in some instances, he specifically went after certain companies or groups (such as a prostitution ring). He targeted certain people on Wall Street with the intent to ruin them and jail them. Was he justified? In some cases, probably yes. He made it his duty to go after certain people and go after them he did. Even in cases where a heavy hand was not necessary, he plowed at the person. One editorial commented that in cases where a gentle nudge was all that was needed, he came down like a hammer, destroying all in his path. Lets not beat around the bush here, the way he acted when he was an AG was to bully and threaten individuals.

He did not just prosecute people from partaking in prostitution. He specifically went after them. In short, he went after people who were doing exactly what he has done and he did all he could to make sure they ended up in jail. There's no "so what?" here. The sheer level of hypocrisy is astounding.

Yes, his job was that of a "prosecutor". But he did not just go after people when they appeared on the criminal radar. He actively sought them out and took them to court. Not only resulting in their being jailed, but also ensured financial ruin on the greater majority of them. He was a legal bully who hid behind his office to exact revenge. That is basically what his career as an AG comes down to. In some instances he did good. He took on the big boys and made them pay. And now? Now he has been caught doing exactly what those he went after had one and who he actively pursued. There's no "so what?". It has a sense of poetic justice, to be honest. He assumed his position as a Governor would protect him and it did not. He has proven himself, something he has always tried to prove when he was the AG...that no matter how great you might be, you will still fall if you stuff up and get caught. He got caught. It was his own stupidity that led to his outing. They originally investigated him after his bank flagged suspicious money transfers between his accounts. It would seem they first thought he was being bribed, until they traced the account he was paying off and they discovered the cover for the prostitution ring.

He did not just speed or smoke a toke. He paid to have a woman travel across State lines to have sex with him. Or more to the point, he paid her john to have her travel to have sex with him. He could have just used a prostitute from Washington. It would still be illegal, but he would not be breaking laws that are in place to protect against human trafficking. He also booked into a hotel under the name of an acquaintance who was one of his fund-raisers, without the man's knowledge or consent. And then of course there is the following:

Federal authorities say the investigation began last October when the IRS received a report from a bank about suspicious activity connected to an account controlled by Spitzer.

Initially believing the activity could involve bribes, the Justice Department asked the FBI's public corruption squad to join the investigation.

It was only later, authorities say, that federal agents learned Spitzer had been moving the money to pay for the prostitutes. They say his movement of "tens of thousands of dollars" to pay for sex with call girls from the Emperor's Club may have violated federal money laundering laws.

Ironically, the financial crimes he may be charged with are some of the same crimes he prosecuted as New York's attorney general in his meteoric rise to prominence.
Source
He cannot plead innocence or that he simply did not know what he was doing was wrong or illegal. He was a former Attorney General for the State. He prosecuted others for the very same thing he was doing. He ran on a political ticket and virtually preached ethical standards in Government. He should have followed his own advice and acted ethically. Whether you agree or disagree about whether prostitution should be legal or not is really beside the point. At present, prostitution and paying for a prostitute to cross state lines for sex is illegal. He was an AG. He became a Governor, and ran on the coat tails of his actions and success as an AG. Those actions and the success came about because of his tough stance on corporate criminals, as well as prostitution rings. Then he broke the law and for the last few months, had been enjoying the services that one such prostitution ring had to offer. Just because we might think the prostitution laws are archaic or not is really beside the point. He broke the law and he needs to pay for it. Just like he made others pay for it when he was an AG.
 
Dude, he banged a hooker. He didn't claim he was just getting a massage. He wasn't a paid abstinence advocate. He wasn't a goddamned priest fiddling with the choirboys.
Oh, please. If this guy were Republican you'd be all over him and dancing with glee.

It's funny. I knew this guy was a Democrat because none of the reports I heard mentioned his party affiliation. With Mark Foley, it was always REPUBLICAN Rep Mark Foley...... But when the perp's a Democrat, well, it's a personal foible. Party affiliation has no bearing.

So let's review:
Republican nailing hookers/pages/guys in bathrooms=CULTURE OF CORRUPTION!!!!!!!

Democrat nailing hookers/pages/guys in bathrooms=nothing to see here folks, personal business. Tragic story.
And, just for fun, here's the whore involved!
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The question is, will she pose for playboy, penthouse, or hustler? Or perhaps write a book!
 
bells i want to respond but i want to ask you something first

are you saying he is bad because he:

a)Had sex with a prositute?
b)Commited a crime?
c)cheated on his wife?
or
d) the way he did his job?

The reason i ask is because if its:

a) i personally dont think it should be illegal at all. I actually think it should be legal and the goverment should regulate the industry

b)well ok he commited a crime, fair enough. Is the crime bad enough to mean he shouldnt run or is it like bush smoking coke?

c)I HATE cheaters personally having been cheated on but that doesnt mean they arnt a good person to have running a country. I would MUCH rather have clinton as PM than have Bush for instance

d) This one is why i have asked so many times if we are only talking about the fact that he slept with a prostitute. I kind of understand your post but im a little unsure if he acted how you sugest then how would he not have been put down by a court if he was acting illegally or unethically. That is after all WHY we have a court based justice system


Oh and bells i ment does a specific procicuter CHOSE the case they get or do they get told "this is the case you WILL take, i dont care if you agree with the law or not, go do your job"
 
superstring01 just for your infomation i wouldnt be a hypocrit i would be a murder if i sold food i knew was contaminated
 
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