My son at 14 wants to be a marine and kill Osamas in the desert

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

still not seeing how these staements jive and how its a given. :shrug: And why do you keep calling my kids German children?

oh, and by the way, waking up in the mornign is never a given.

Liebling means little darlings in german, all children are libeling, its a term of endearment.

When you're a child it is, you cannot fathom death nor do you understand violence unless you grew up in Mogadishu or some other fucked up place or were raised with violence. My point is that life and death are abstractions to the young. War is an imaginary affair, without reality. The statements jive well enough you seem to not have bothered to read all of my posts.

 

[Orleander]

Liebling means little darlings in german, all children are libeling, its a term of endearment.

When you're a child it is, you cannot fathom death nor do you understand violence unless you grew up in Mogadishu or some other fucked up place or were raised with violence. My point is that life and death are abstractions to the young. War is an imaginary affair, without reality. The statements jive well enough you seem to not have bothered to read all of my posts.

Imaginary? To a 14 yr old? None of the 14 yr olds I know are that immature. And I read all your posts, I just don't agree with them

 

[Gustav]

My point is that life and death are abstractions to the young.

 

[chimpkin]

Imaginary? To a 14 yr old? None of the 14 yr olds I know are that immature.

I've seen death on TV, both real and cinematic.

Finding a dead guy in a car in my early 20's(and pulling his wrist loose to find that, yeah, there was no pulse) and here at my job, the first time a saw a deceased tissue donor...it's pretty jarring.

Just saying-off the screen, seeing someone dead and messy for the first or second time is quite jarring to someone not familiarized.

Edited: funny, Gustav, I realized I could die when I was four-my uncle went out deer hunting. I remember the deer's glassy-eyed carcass...which he strapped, Pennsylvania-redneck style, to the hood of the truck.

(Meaning it was only good for ground meat, and pretty gamy at that.)

 

[Orleander]

of course its jarring. Doesn't mean you don't understand it just becuse you've never seen a dead body or killed someone. And a normal 14 yr old should understand it

 

[Gustav]

oAnd a normal 14 yr old should understand it

um
we are talking about really young kids that the missus pulled out of her ass
stay on topic

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

of course its jarring. Doesn't mean you don't understand it just becuse you've never seen a dead body or killed someone. And a normal 14 yr old should understand it

Orleander: Imaginary? To a 14 yr old? None of the 14 yr olds I know are that immature. And I read all your posts, I just don't agree with them

On what basis do you disagree? What has your 14 year old experienced to bring home that kind of death, fear and violence?

Why or how should a tween or teen understand it? What reference point do they have outside of tv for violence, death and war? How are they to understand that level of catastrophe? Or that level of intensity? There is nothing in their environment to prepare them for that unless they live in a society that has experienced war. Talk to a teenager in a camp who's fled Darfur and watched people being killed before their very eyes and you'll know what I mean. Or talk to an adult tutsi survivor from Rwanda and you'll understand the difference of what I mean. Reading about war or watching it on television is not the same as understanding what it means by any stretch of the imagination. And you should remind your kids how lucky they are that they don't have to know this first hand and you should respect that your father and brother know more about life and death than they are ever willing to burden you with. That's about all I have to say on the subject.

 

[Orleander]

so sorry Gustav. I apologize. I wasn't focusing

 

[chimpkin]

I would not have been able to predict how I would have reacted had I shot and killed someone at 14.
I *think* I can predict it now, but am not entirely certain.
If you shot and killed someone in a legal way for your jurisdiction (self-defense) how would you feel about it?

Recently a 75-year old man who was robbed of $800 in his store...chased his attacker in his (the old man's)truck and ran him over twice...our state law will probably actually let him off for this, as you're allowed to use lethal force to stop theft of property in progress here. Also, after the first time the thief was struck, he started shooting at the old man.

Apparently though, the old man was crying his eyes out and felt horrible for killing the robber afterward.

At 14, it's really hard to say what's going to haunt you...is what I'm trying to say...

I think more soldiers feel awful about surviving though. When people around them that they cared very deeply for did not.

 

[Orleander]

...That's about all I have to say on the subject.

thank you.

(promises promises)

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

thank you.

(promises promises)

[profanity deleted] I was being sincere and I wasn't insulting you. So much for that since you couldn't meet the post with a proper response. Says a lot.

 

[Gustav]

now now, missus
language please

/tuts

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

I think more soldiers feel awful about surviving though. When people around them that they cared very deeply for did not.

Some do but it depends on if they felt they did the right thing at the moment. Sometimes they feel guilt over the death of a civilian they thought was a threat, that's much more common than many would imagine.

 

[Orleander]

... That's about all I have to say on the subject.

Posted again (nice)

Fuck you Orleander. I was being sincere and I wasn't insulting you. So much for that since you couldn't meet the post with a proper response. Says a lot.

...and again

Some do but it depends on if they felt they did the right thing at the moment. Sometimes they feel guilt over the death of a civilian they thought was a threat, that's much more common than many would imagine.

lord love a duck, you couldn't even last 10 minutes till you posted again.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Posted again (nice)



...and again



lord love a duck, you could even last 10 minutes till you posted again.

So why are you responding? I posted a something legitimate and all you come back with are unwitty quips. What's with that? Can't answer the post? Its post#87.

 

[Orleander]

So why are you responding? I posted a something legitimate and all you come back with are unwitty quips. What's with that? Can't answer the post? Its post#87.

<sigh> fine. Will it stop your temper tantrum?

...On what basis do you disagree? What has your 14 year old experienced to bring home that kind of death, fear and violence? ...

family members dying. Peopel they know dying. A pet dying. Fishing and the fish they kill. Hunting and the animals they kill.

Are you seriously saying you have never met a 14 yr old who lost a family member, a friend, a pet, or saw an animal die?

Why are you so hung up on whether a 14 year old TEENAGER understands the concept of death? They do

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

<sigh> fine. Will it stop your temper tantrum?



family members dying. Peopel they know dying. A pet dying. Fishing and the fish they kill. Hunting and the animals they kill.

Are you seriously saying you have never met a 14 yr old who lost a family member, a friend, a pet, or saw an animal die?

Why are you so hung up on whether a 14 year old TEENAGER understands the concept of death? They do

Not temper tantrum losing patience. People dying in hospital from old age or accidents is not the same as being placed in a situation where you have to kill or be killed or watching someone being gruesomely decimated before your very eyes, its just no the same. We're talking about war and what it means to be in war, Jmpet's son has a desire to serve, he talks of it in a gung ho manner but he has no idea of what it means, his video games will not prepare him for what it means. Having an animal dying or losing a relative is not the same as the intensity of chaos when you or the person next to you can be killed at any moment and to try and equate the death of a pet or family member with a real time war experience is naive at best. Most teenagers don't understand death and violence and that kind of fear, its an abstraction. Most teenagers do not experience someone dying before their very eyes. My grandmother died and I remember when I took the call from the hospital but it was still an abstraction, and mind you I was an adult not a teenager. She was dead, I knew she was dead but I couldn't and didn't FEEL death around me. That's the difference.

 

[Orleander]

Not temper tantrum losing patience. People dying in hospital from old age or accidents is not the same as being placed in a situation where you have to kill or be killed or watching someone being gruesomely decimated before your very eyes, its just no the same. ...

no its not the same kind of death. But its death. 14 yr olds should understand death

and "FUCK YOU" is a temper tantrum

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

no its not the same kind of death. But its death. 14 yr olds should understand death

But they don't. They understand that someone is gone, that's not the same as feeling the threat of death. Some teenagers do have this experience but not many. I'm sure that the death of a loved one or pet has never caused a teenager to suffer from PTSD, which comes from experiencing a real time threat. Its the closeness to death and violence that makes the difference and why Jmpet's son can speak with such bravado. He simply doesn't know it, he imagines it.

No fuck you is a way of telling you to piss off because you behaved like an asshole when I was engaging you seriously thinking you had respect for the topic and the perspectives being offered even if you didn't agree.

 

[Orleander]

well, then you know the most immature teenagers.

and you are rude. I have respect for the topic, not someone who calls me an asshole