and why would I know that better than anyone?
My son at 14 wants to be a marine and kill Osamas in the desert
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and why would I know that better than anyone?
Mrs.Lucysnow
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Well you're the one who basically said that they came away from war with nothing more than 'shit happens'. Why should I doubt you? You know them better than I. :shrug:
Mrs.Lucysnow
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No. I cannot call them that as such because I understand why they would sum up their experiences as 'shit happens' but it sounds as if you think they are because you don't seem to believe they learned to value life. People who don't value the life of other's or understand the fragility of life in serious situations such as that of battle tend to be psychopathic or sociopathic to some degree as they lack empathy.
I sounds as if I think my brother and father are psychopaths? LMFAO. You just make this stuff up as you go along don't you?
what crap
You tried to make a personal attack on me and now you are trying to back peddla out of it. It says more about you than me.
and wasn't the topic about a 14 ys old wanting to kill 'Osamas'? Try to stay on topic.
haha
and that is the twisted and depraved world that the missus lives in.
that is how she projects her sociopathic tendencies and homicidal impulses
we have innocence destroyed by the relentless propaganda machine of the warmongers. yet......
boy: kill the gooks!
lucysnow: isn't he cute!
and that is the twisted and depraved world that the missus lives in.
that is how she projects her sociopathic tendencies and homicidal impulses
we have innocence destroyed by the relentless propaganda machine of the warmongers. yet......
boy: kill the gooks!
lucysnow: isn't he cute!
lol. you really are very unrealistic. not all soldiers know the value of life because not all soldiers value life. duh
just like not all soldiers are good people. there are soldiers who wouldn't give a shit about firing on civilians or even children. some think it's fun because it's not their ass that's being hurt. just because one is a soldier doesn't mean one is empathetic or ethical, that is just individual. being a soldier is a job or profession. jesus christ.
how the hell do you know? again, it sounds like more stereotypes like you've been watching war movie tear-jerkers. there are vets who hate the whole frigging country and people they went to war with because their buddies got killed and don't give a shit that other innocent lives were lost or destroyed. that's not valuing life itself, it's just selfishness. there are soldiers who have raped and killed innocent people just as there are those who were good people who happened to choose the military as their profession.
you don't know what the fuk you are talking about.
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Pretty funny the range of responses- and opinions- you folks have come up with. Yes he is 14 and yes he plays all those "special Ops video games" and I am sure half the 14 year olds out there want to emulate that. But I think it's a little more with my son- perhaps this is what he wants, then again perhaps he will want to be a magician next month.
I will tell you this- his uncle (my brother) is a Major in the Navy and my son has little to no respect for him, as he has never seen anything close to combat- or a battleship- or an open ocean in the 20+ years he's been in the Navy. My son feels it's the responsibility of the military to be willing to go to combat and has expressed a desire to do just that.
Hopefully 3-4 years from now the FUBAR in the Middle East will be almost over and worst case he ends up on a military base in Germany only to walk away with a college education or some life skills... I don't think he is psycho for wanting to join the military- he may have a point; or he may be one of those who feel the desire to do such things as go into combat, which is something I don't share with him.
As I always tell him- if the SHTF, we're going on vacation to North Dakota then doing some mountain climbing north into Canada...
I will tell you this- his uncle (my brother) is a Major in the Navy and my son has little to no respect for him, as he has never seen anything close to combat- or a battleship- or an open ocean in the 20+ years he's been in the Navy. My son feels it's the responsibility of the military to be willing to go to combat and has expressed a desire to do just that.
Hopefully 3-4 years from now the FUBAR in the Middle East will be almost over and worst case he ends up on a military base in Germany only to walk away with a college education or some life skills... I don't think he is psycho for wanting to join the military- he may have a point; or he may be one of those who feel the desire to do such things as go into combat, which is something I don't share with him.
As I always tell him- if the SHTF, we're going on vacation to North Dakota then doing some mountain climbing north into Canada...
ah, a parent after my own heart.
Its basically what I told my son. Ain't nobody drafting my babyMrs.Lucysnow
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I sounds as if I think my brother and father are psychopaths? LMFAO. You just make this stuff up as you go along don't you?
what crap
You tried to make a personal attack on me and now you are trying to back peddla out of it. It says more about you than me.
and wasn't the topic about a 14 ys old wanting to kill 'Osamas'? Try to stay on topic.
Its no personal attack. You claim they didn't have any feeling towards humanity but a 'shit happens' attitude, you never revealed that this attitude may hide something deeper and more acutely sensitive from their experience. Its you who belittled their experience not I. After all you claim a 14 year old who knows nothing of war doesn't understand the value of life. So why should anyone think that your relatives who went and returned from war understand anything of the value of life? I mean with their 'shit happens' attitude? So yes my dear you judge a 14 year old as not valuing life when he doesn't know anything war.
they have no feelings towards humanity? really? :bugeye: what and how am I belittling their experience? :shrug:
and where did I say a 14 yr old who knows nothing about war doesn't understand the value of life?? A 14 yr old should know the value of life, and THAT is what I said
Lucy, you really suck at back-peddling
Mrs.Lucysnow
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Do all people value life? Are all people good people? If your answer to that is of course not then its safe to assume that those men who do go off and risk life and limb are more likely to come back with a different feeling towards life whether they be 'good' people or not. Any soldier who thinks its 'fun' has never been deployed. Any soldier who thinks they are invulnerable has never been deployed.
War movies? Nah. My husband serves and he's been to both Iraq and Afghanistan as well as other places and I've spent more time with military men both in the US and abroad (not all of them being US soldiers) and see what kind of young men end up at places like Fort Benning. I know British de-miners who risk their asses to make sure children in Angola, Cambodia, Mozambique and Afghanistan don't get their limbs blown off by handling UXO's as well as mines.
So please don't go on and tell me about the fucking war movies. You don't know shit of what you're talking about because you don't know what it does to the men it serves, how it changes them.
Mrs.Lucysnow
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I don't know, they're not my family, I'm just going on what you said.
Remember this comment post#55? "My son sure didn't. And my nephews don't. A 14 yr old should know teh value of a life and it bothers me that this one doesn't seem to."
You claim Jmpet's son doesn't seem to know the value of a life. Then you say this:
"My father and my brother both came back with more of a 'shit happens' attitude rather that 'all life is precious'."
Obviously you don't think they feel all life is precious. Not my assessment but yours.
You really suck at back-peddling.
Mrs.Lucysnow
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Yes its a given for them just like waking up in the morning, he also doesn't understand what war is meaning he doesn't understand life and death in terms of war. If you read my posts before you jumped into this debate you would know that. On the same note YOUR libelings fall into the same category. So tell me how does your child know the value of life in terms of anything at all? You claim that they do. Do you remember when you first understood death? Do you remember when you were first exposed to violence if ever? Was it more than just an abstraction for you?
but wait
lets touch on your son and nephews....
Oh I bet they're so special. Probably good candidates as future Dr. Heiters
dr heiter ? oh.......
A mad scientist kidnaps and mutilates a trio of tourists in order to reassemble them into a new "pet"-
- a human centipede, created by stitching their mouths to each others' rectums.
...that is some family you got there, orly
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still not seeing how these staements jive and how its a given. :shrug: And why do you keep calling my kids German children?
oh, and by the way, waking up in the mornign is never a given.
but wait
lets touch on your son and nephews....
dr heiter ? oh.......
A mad scientist kidnaps and mutilates a trio of tourists in order to reassemble them into a new "pet"-
- a human centipede, created by stitching their mouths to each others' rectums.
...that is some family you got there, orly
yeah, I didn't know who Dr Heiter was, so I ignored it. takin the high road, just like I did with Shorty. Oh wait, LOL...
Care to comment on that personal attack Lucy?