My son at 14 wants to be a marine and kill Osamas in the desert

Orleander said:
well, then you know the most immature teenagers.

and you are rude. I have respect for the topic, not someone who calls me an asshole
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No I know western teenagers and western teenagers are the most coddled and immature of all. Most are protected from any kind of harshness that life has to offer most of all destruction, devastation and death. They worry about computer games and tv and are free from the heaviness that comes with war. Like I said before Jmpet's kid is not unusual he's protected from the reality of war and so can only imagine its glory. The way you explain things having ones dog die or grandparent pass from disease or old age is the same as watching someone's lower body blown off right in front of you or knowing in the back of your mind that your next step can mean your demise. Not even death but physical devastation which for most is worse.

You were rude too. And by the way I told you to fuck off before I told you I thought you were being an asshole. But you know, its life, shit happens.
 
Orleander said:
are you related to Asguard? Your posts are a lot alike.
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Are you related to Snooki? Because you display the same amount of sophistication and intelligence. Again I have taken the time to address your points, the fact that you keep coming back with stupid statements and not a proper counter-argument is a testament to the quicksand your point of view rests upon.
 
and you reaspond to posts with pretend overly dramatic statements that are so way off topic that you should be embarassed.

And who is Snooki?
 
Orleander said:
and you reaspond to posts with pretend overly dramatic statements that are so way off topic that you should be embarassed.

And who is Snooki?
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Nope I came up with questions and reasons for my opinions. When I engaged you in dialectic argument you refrained from answering the questions all together or brought up incidents of pets and family members dying which has nothing to do with whether a teenager can really understand death, life and violence due to WAR.

Look in the mirror and Snooki will manifest.
 
oh a lil conservative hatchling.

Too much testosterone into his young body perhaps.
For a 14yo angst militant teen its completely normal.
When i was young as that i wanted to kill angry people.
I was very upset about it.
 
deicider said:
oh a lil conservative hatchling.

Too much testosterone into his young body perhaps.
For a 14yo angst militant teen its completely normal.
When i was young as that i wanted to kill angry people.
I was very upset about it.
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Did you get over it? How long was the phase? If it was a phase.
 
Mrs.Lucysnow said:
Do all people value life? Are all people good people? If your answer to that is of course not then its safe to assume that those men who do go off and risk life and limb are more likely to come back with a different feeling towards life whether they be 'good' people or not. Any soldier who thinks its 'fun' has never been deployed. Any soldier who thinks they are invulnerable has never been deployed.

War movies? Nah. My husband serves and he's been to both Iraq and Afghanistan as well as other places and I've spent more time with military men both in the US and abroad (not all of them being US soldiers) and see what kind of young men end up at places like Fort Benning. I know British de-miners who risk their asses to make sure children in Angola, Cambodia, Mozambique and Afghanistan don't get their limbs blown off by handling UXO's as well as mines.

So please don't go on and tell me about the fucking war movies. You don't know shit of what you're talking about because you don't know what it does to the men it serves, how it changes them.
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let me remind you the friggen point. you said that all soldiers value life or after the experience of going to war or having seen battle. i told you that's bullshit, because not all of them value life even after the experience because not all people are friggen humanitarians. what are you? two years old? because that's about how realistic you are.

your logic is about as smart as saying some of the blood's gangmembers got killed by the crypts and so they learned to value life because of the experience. some just want to kill some more and don't 'value' life just because they mourn the loss of their own or the fact ganglife is risky and dangerous.

anything else?
 
birch said:
let me remind you the friggen point. you said that all soldiers value life or after the experience of going to war or having seen battle. i told you that's bullshit, because not all of them value life even after the experience because not all people are friggen humanitarians. what are you? two years old? because that's about how realistic you are.

your logic is about as smart as saying some of the blood's gangmembers got killed by the crypts and so they learned to value life because of the experience.

anything else?
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Yeah. What is it that makes you believe that they do not? What makes you think that they don't understand what it is? You say its 'bullshit' as if its bullshit for all, so I would like to know how you came to that conclusion. I'm as realistic as my life experience which is obviously closer to the subject at hand than yours. I'm not some stupid bunny who's spent her years in the suburbs or cities of the US, I've been around the military for many years and in many different parts of the world, I know the men and women, I know the lives, I know the reality, so please explain to me from where you glean your expertise. Back up your bloody point of view with an argument that doesn't come out of some imaginary knowledge of what deployment and engagement and the after math has on a soldier. I know NGO worker's who are better informed than you are. But why shouldn't they be? They're in the bloody field!

You know, my experience came way before I was a military wife. You should think twice before challenging women like me, we're as fucking ferocious as the men we marry.
 
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Mrs.Lucysnow said:
Yeah. What is it that makes you believe that they do not? What makes you think that they don't understand what it is? You say its 'bullshit' as if its bullshit for all, so I would like to know how you came to that conclusion. I'm as realistic as my life experience which is obviously closer to the subject at hand than yours. I'm not some stupid bunny who's spent her years in the suburbs or cities of the US, I've been around the military for many years, I know the men and women, I know the lives, I know the reality, so please explain to me from where you glean your expertise.
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first of all, where did i say it applies to all? that's been your stint. you got it reversed.

i don't care if you've been around military all your life because what you believe is just not true. not all military personnel who have seen war or experienced it value life. you've got to be an idiot to believe that.

let me make it simpler for you. people's values or character doesn't magically change for most because of war or having seen or experienced death. sometimes that does happen but for most they just mourn the loss of their comrades. this wider epiphany that war is a horrible alternative and that all life is precious etc is something else and it does not apply to everyone, military personnel or not.

get real.
 
birch said:
first of all, where did i say it applies to all? that's been your stint. you got it reversed.

i don't care if you've been around military all your life because what you believe is just not true. not all military personnel who have seen war or experienced it value life. you've got to be an idiot to believe that.

let me make it simpler for you. people's values or character doesn't magically change for most because of war or having seen or experienced death. sometimes that does happen but for most they just mourn the loss of their comrades. this wider epiphany that war is a horrible alternative and that all life is precious etc is something else and it does not apply to everyone, military personnel or not.

get real.
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I asked you to show me what informs your opinion, on what it is based. You have yet to do that which makes your perspective WEAK.

No one said that one's character changes because one is in the military though much of the time it does. No one claims that it can make a bad or irresponsible person good or better, that's not the point. What I am saying is that the experience of war whether directly or on the periphery such as experienced by aid workers and those who deal with the effect directly such as those who live through it, MAKES ONE MUCH MORE CLOSELY LINKED TO LIFE, DEATH AND VIOLENCE DUE TO WAR! Now what the fuck can't you understand about that?
 
Mrs.Lucysnow said:
What I am saying is that the experience of war whether directly or on the periphery such as experienced by aid workers and those who deal with the effect directly such as those who live through it, MAKES ONE MUCH MORE CLOSELY LINKED TO LIFE, DEATH AND VIOLENCE DUE TO WAR! Now what the fuck can't you understand about that?
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I guess we don't understand how you can think that...yet think "wasting osama's" is a good attitude to have going into the military.
 
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