Good and Evil.

DaveC426913 said:
So then how are humans any "higher" animals than other animals?
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Люди умеют творить. Не просто строить что то полезное для себя, как бобры плотины на реках, или муравьи муравейники, а творить что то для души. Музыку, картины, стихи. Передавать гармонию в звуке и цвете. "Первый Адам стал душею живущей, а последний Адам есть Дух Животворящий". Эволюция.
 
ольга said:
People know how to create. Not just build something useful for themselves, like beavers build dams on rivers, or ants build anthills, but create something for the soul. Music, paintings, poetry. Convey harmony in sound and color. "The first Adam became a living soul, and the last Adam is the Life-giving Spirit." Evolution.
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OK, so we're still animals in our ability to choose. Not higher.
 
ольга said:
Люди умеют творить. Не просто строить что то полезное для себя, как бобры плотины на реках, или муравьи муравейники, а творить что то для души. Музыку, картины, стихи. Передавать гармонию в звуке и цвете. "Первый Адам стал душею живущей, а последний Адам есть Дух Животворящий". Эволюция.
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Yeah we can do some impressive things as a species Olga. Music art, literature and Science.
We do not know what is going through a whale's mind when he is singing to his mate 3000 miles away.
The songs can last ten minutes, the reason they do it that way is that the conversation is limited by the speed of sound. In water it is much faster (than air) but it is more efficient to serenade a mate with a few verses than a one liner.
 
ольга said:
There was no talk about good and evil, but about the influence of genetics on character and behavior. Foxes, of course, did not choose what they were born as. But man does not choose either, and he is also an animal, albeit a higher one.
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I suggest you re read your own post. You specifically related aggressive to evil and peaceful to good. In fact, it's the title of the fricking thread. Idiot.
 
Pinball1970 said:
Yeah we can do some impressive things as a species Olga. Music art, literature and Science.
We do not know what is going through a whale's mind when he is singing to his mate 3000 miles away.
The songs can last ten minutes, the reason they do it that way is that the conversation is limited by the speed of sound. In water it is much faster (than air) but it is more efficient to serenade a mate with a few verses than a one liner.
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Откуда вы знаете, что он поёт именно своей подруге?
 
gmilam said:
Is your lying about what your post said evil?
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Ложь - это конечно же зло. Даже "дьявол" переводится как "лжец", "клеветник". Но где вы увидели в моём посте ложь?
 
ольга said:
Not exactly. In Russia, they conducted an experiment with foxes that lasted for several decades (you may have heard of it). The gist of it was this: they took a group of foxes and divided it roughly in half. The most evil and aggressive were put into one group, the rest, more kind, into another. Then, from each litter, they began to select the good ones separately, and the evil ones separately. And so, over the course of several decades, they selected the kindest and the most evil. As a result, they got foxes that were super loyal and affectionate to people and to each other in one group, and super evil and aggressive in another. Then the scientists put newborn evil foxes into a litter with good foxes. When they grew up, they remained as evil and aggressive as their biological parents, despite being surrounded and raised in an environment of good foxes. Then the scientists took the embryos of the evil foxes and put them into the good foxes. The result was the same. Conclusion: Genetics decides everything. The role of upbringing and environment is greatly exaggerated.
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ольга said:
There was no talk about good and evil, but about the influence of genetics on character and behavior. Foxes, of course, did not choose what they were born as. But man does not choose either, and he is also an animal, albeit a higher one.
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The first line of your second post here is obviously a lie.
 
gmilam said:
The first line of your second post here is obviously a lie.
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Это был ответ на пост 39 Дэйва. В нём он говорил о влиянии воспитания о окрудения на характер человека. Вы просто вырвали из контекста.
 
ольга said:
This was a response to Dave's post 39. In it he talked about the influence of upbringing and environment on a person's character. You just took it out of context.
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I quoted directly from you... Your words.

We're talking about your false equivalency of good/peaceful and aggressive/evil.
 
gmilam said:
I quoted directly from you... Your words.

We're talking about your false equivalency of good/peaceful and aggressive/evil.
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Для живого зло - это то, что его разрушает. То, что мешает ему выживать. А зачем ему выживать? Дэйв говорит, что это просто что то вроде инстинкта.
 
ольга said:
For a living thing, evil is something that destroys it. Something that prevents it from surviving.
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A lion is not evil for  killing an antelope.

"It is from the antelope's point of view!"

No it isn't. Antelope do not have a concept of good and evil. Those are human concepts. And we humans know why lions kill antelope. It's certainly not for evil's sake.

ольга said:
And why should it survive? Dave says it's just some kind of instinct.
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"just" some kind of "instinct"??

As if the primary driver for the existence of all life on Earth is a mere afterthought?
 
DaveC426913 said:
I disagree. A lie falls way short of evil in my opinion.
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Дэйв, является. Когда человек лжёт, мозг это воспринимает как истину, и человек уже не может ясно мыслить. Ложь занимает место в памяти, и кроме того её постоянно нужно помнить, чтобы корректировать мысли. Это замедляет мышление. Это как песчинки - одна весит мало, но если насобирать их целый мешок и повесить на шею, то ходить будет нелегко.
 
ольга said:
Dave, it is.
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That is merely your personal opinion. I place my bar a little higher than that.

ольга said:
When a person lies, the brain perceives it as the truth, and the person can no longer think clearly. Lies take up space in the memory, and besides, you constantly need to remember them to correct your thoughts. This slows down your thinking. It's like grains of sand - one weighs little, but if you collect a whole bag of them and hang them around your neck, it will be hard to walk.
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None of which rises to the level of evil.
 
DaveC426913 said:
A lion is not evil for  killing an antelope.

"It is from the antelope's point of view!"

No it isn't. Antelope do not have a concept of good and evil. Those are human concepts. And we humans know why lions kill antelope. It's certainly not for evil's sake.


"just" some kind of "instinct"??

As if the primary driver for the existence of all life on Earth is a mere afterthought?
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DaveC426913 said:
That is merely your personal opinion. I place my bar a little higher than that.


None of which rises to the level of evil.
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Почему не поднимается? Если вы мыслите медленнее, то ваши шансы на выживание уменьшаются. Это саморазрушение. Кроме того вы привыкаете обманывать не только других, но и себя самого.
 
DaveC426913 said:
A lion is not evil for  killing an antelope.

"It is from the antelope's point of view!"

No it isn't. Antelope do not have a concept of good and evil. Those are human concepts. And we humans know why lions kill antelope. It's certainly not for evil's sake.


"just" some kind of "instinct"??

As if the primary driver for the existence of all life on Earth is a mere afterthought?
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Кроме растений, на Земле все убивают друг друга. Живые убивают живых. Человек тоже убивает ради выживания. Даже веганы убивают растения. И только сами растения питаются неживыми элементами.
 
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