ah, if I don't see what is needed to be done by intuition, then I just go here and ask Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! or go here and read, or.. on rare occasions I have to find it out on myself I'm sorta a cyberpunk though, so that doesn't really bother me, is interesting. p.s. Mandrake of all OSes I have tried seems to me the most pleasurable Desktop OS experience. Of course for a server or gaming machine I choose something else.