The Trump Presidency

[Schmelzer]

You mean filtering news for truth by asocial media is censoring? You know that asocial media is tantamount to propaganda?
Seems to me that the actual News organization which spend thousand of dollars in verifying all news for verifiable truth by several reliable sources is a better way to read the NEWS.

You really think that there is somebody filtering news for truth? LOL. Feel free to believe that they "verify" something, instead of checking for political conformity. That's your choice.

I think that any publication by any individual should be subject to the laws of slander, libel, incitement, defamation etc...

AFAIU they are.

you push that share button you face the consequences.

No. The person responsible for defamation is the original poster. If one shares something, the straightforward assumption is that one trusts the source. Libel and so on presupposes that one knows that it is a lie. So those who want to imprison for sharing should have the burden of proof that it was known by the person that it was a lie which he shared.

The governments are not stuffing up the free web, people are...every time some moron posts BS, trolls of flames it is just another nail in the coffin of unregulated free speech.

It is not only free speech which is heavily endangered (if not already dead). They now start to attack encryption. So the aim is that they want to be able to control every communication all the time. A nightmare much worse that Big Brother is already close, with KI checking everything said (even at home, given that there will be enough devices with micros, and they can be used even if you don't want this) for something politically incorrect. Stalin time precautions (talking only in the bathroom with water flowing) will not work.

Example:
Trump is making a heap of unsupported claims to truth about the electoral integrity of the USA. He needs to be held accountable for the damage he has done and is currently still doing to the democratic processes. Every tweet every public statement, every lie needs to have consequences.

Yes, this is how such regulation will work. Those who tell something politically incorrect will be held "accountable" in the GULAG. The same good old communism, Stalin time but with much much better technical tools for observation by the NKWD.

 

[Write4U]

This is merely a STATEMENT - HAS NOTHING- REPEAT NOTHING - TO DO WITH WHAT SHOULD BE DONE WITH THE EVIDENCE - AND DOUBLE NOTHING TO DO WITH TRYING TO PUT HIM OUT OF OFFICE

IOW, there is no question.
I answered your post correctly the first time . "If pigs could fly should we close the airlines "? , i.e. NONSENSE

 

[Write4U]

You really think that there is somebody filtering news for truth? LOL. Feel free to believe that they "verify" something, instead of checking for political conformity. That's your choice.

I don't know what country you live in , but you have no clue as to the veracity of the legitimate NEWS organizations in the US and the tests they apply before "publishing".

Your ridicule only speaks of your ignorance.

 

[Bells]

Even readers of this thread can play this game

I suspect most can't understand what you are on about as you are being exceptionally vague and nonsensical with bizarre 'what if' scenarios and then losing your proverbial shit when you don't get the answer you actually want..

 

[Quantum Quack]

It is not only free speech which is heavily endangered (if not already dead). They now start to attack encryption. So the aim is that they want to be able to control every communication all the time. A nightmare much worse that Big Brother is already close, with KI checking everything said (even at home, given that there will be enough devices with micros, and they can be used even if you don't want this) for something politically incorrect. Stalin time precautions (talking only in the bathroom with water flowing) will not work.

Like I said: If people use the web to propagate propaganda or communicate for nefarious reasons then of course regulation will follow.
Using encrypted communications to support terrorism, child exploitation etc. invite governments to regulate and censor.
Using the dark web to facilitate stuff is also going to invite government action... after all what do you expect when people act with out self - restraint?

One could argue that the only reason social media is facing serious censorship is because the Russian troll machine screwed it up for every one else in 2016.
So you can blame Russian trolls for the censorship and increase surveillance and those who seek to use encryption for criminal activities for the attack on encryption.

 

[Jeeves]

Biden sworn in - ie Biden now President

He's president. That's done and doesn't change, except through a complex legal procedure.

unfalsifiable evidence comes to light - NOTE have not stated type of evidence

In what way does it "come to light"? By whose efforts? In whose possession? When?
This matters, because your assertion of 'unfalsifiable' may not be sufficient proof for the FBI or Congress to act upon. The evidence - its origin, substance and form of presentation - may take quite a long time to verify and may have to go through several different departments, accumulating reams and reams of documentation. During that time, the country has to keep functioning. So, on the surface, nothing much happens, except maybe gossip and conspiracy theorizing.

or which candidate it help or hindered

And that, too, would make a night/day difference to the appropriate response.

election was rigged - NOTE have not stated by whom

So would that make a difference to the response. For starters: was the agent responsible domestic or foreign? So does the method of rigging make a difference. And the organ(s) and or system(s) affected. The level(s) of bureaucracy and mechanisms involved.

what happens?

The material gets investigated within a micron of its life.

ie where is perhaps best place to reveal evidence? Jo himself? Secret Service? other?

What, you mean, if an individual private citizen comes into possession of it? I'd advise him to flush it down a public loo and walk nonchalantly away. If a government official discovers it? Depends on his affiliation and conscience. If a law-enforcement agency finds out, it has its own internal protocols for dealing with it. If a self-serving third party gets hold of it, they'll try to use it for some advantage, and how they do it depends on the party and the content of the material.

Okay? Your questions are too ambiguous for unambiguous answers.
If you throw things at the wall, can we watch?

 

[Schmelzer]

I don't know what country you live in , but you have no clue as to the veracity of the legitimate NEWS organizations in the US and the tests they apply before "publishing".

LOL. I have been challenged here to find a proof of US media lies and found immediately a quite nice example, see http://www.sciforums.com/threads/sh...that-lie-for-money.151895/page-3#post-3315607 This particular example has also shown the high level of coordination of the lie.

About the ridicule: A quite funny article of the Time which shows that other people had quite similar impressions about what happened during the elections. https://time.com/5908360/russia-2020-election-trump/

That is precisely what U.S. experts in Russian propaganda worry about. “The Russians must be sitting back and thinking: This is beyond our wildest dreams,” says Marc Polymeropoulos, who oversaw CIA operations in Europe and Eurasia before retiring in 2019. “They must be handing out medals in the SVR headquarters by now.”

“It was always about tearing us down, finding a way to say, ‘the American system is broken. It’s incompetent,’” says Polymeropoulos. As long as the U.S. President continues to advance that message himself, Putin and his spy chief can sit back and enjoy the show.

Of course, a lot of the text is nonsense, fantasies about Russian aims and fears, like the following

Joe Biden has pledged to “impose substantial and lasting costs” for any foreign interference in the vote if he emerges as the winner. U.S. officials from the FBI, Department of Homeland Security and other agencies have repeatedly testified that Russia is interfering in the 2020 vote, and the Kremlin appears to have grown concerned about the risk of an American backlash.

Sorry, but the Russians are not afraid of such a backlash, simply because there is nothing the US can do to harm Russia which has not yet been tried, beyond starting a war which will be deadly for the US too. Quite interesting is the following quote:

But Russia plays up its ability to game Western elections precisely in order to discredit them, says Alex Younger, the former head of MI6, the British foreign intelligence service. “Russia feels threatened by the quality of our alliances and, even in the current environment, the quality of our democratic institutions,” Younger told TIME soon after retiring from espionage at the end of September. “It sets out to denigrate them, and it uses intelligence services to that end.”

Polymeropoulos came away with the same impression during his interactions with Russian security officials. He recalls them having “a weird insecurity about wanting to be equals,” which showed in the way they tried to argue, even during meetings about counterterrorism and other issues of mutual concern, that the U.S. system of government was even more corrupt than the Russian one.

The "quality of our democratic institutions" was a nice joke. I would not question that the Russian security officials have explained that Polymeropoulos that the US is actually more corrupt than Russia. There is, last but not least, professional pride, given that Russia at 2000 was completely corrupt, and that has changed in such a way that today it is the US which is quite obviously more corrupt - spending 10 times the Russian military budget and not reaching anything close of superiority is obvious enough for much higher corruption in that sector.

Whatever, the basic feeling of the Russian side looking at this election fraud show has been understood by the author. "Putin and his spy chief can sit back and enjoy the show". Me too.

 

[Schmelzer]

Using encrypted communications to support terrorism, child exploitation etc. invite governments to regulate and censor.
Using the dark web to facilitate stuff is also going to invite government action... after all what do you expect when people act with out self - restraint?

Feel free to make a choice between a world where everything you say will be automatically checked by KI for something politically suspect, and can lead to prosecution for hate speech or however it will be named, or a world of protected privacy where your computer and all your computer communications with other people are legally as well as factually protected by strong encryption and completely private. Yes, in that private world some people will own and use illegal porn. If this makes that world too horrible for you, feel free to prefer the complete surveillance state.

One could argue that the only reason social media is facing serious censorship is because the Russian troll machine screwed it up for every one else in 2016.
So you can blame Russian trolls for the censorship and increase surveillance and those who seek to use encryption for criminal activities for the attack on encryption.

You seriously? You have not even understood that those who want to control you will always find an excuse in form of some horrible criminals or other evildoers who have to be caught?

 

[Write4U]

Whatever, the basic feeling of the Russian side looking at this election fraud show has been understood by the author. "Putin and his spy chief can sit back and enjoy the show". Me too.

Yes , that's why we need to get rid of Trump who, in his capacity of president, has told some 25,000 lies.
He considers his presidency as the greatest Reality TV Show Host role and has woven a fantasy reality.

When you sit back and enjoy the "current" show, it is an indication that something is really wrong here, and it is not the Democrats.

 

[Write4U]

I have been challenged here to find a proof of US media lies and found immediately a quite nice example, see http://www.sciforums.com/threads/sh...that-lie-for-money.151895/page-3#post-3315607 This particular example has also shown the high level of coordination of the lie.

And that was totally debunked.

Your word doesn't mean anything . I don't trust you or anything you have to say.

 

[gmilam]

Unfalsifiable != Verifiable.

 

[iceaura]

If one shares something, the straightforward assumption is that one trusts the source.

Comedy.

You have denied your own responsibility for the bs you "shared" many times on this forum. You are one of the most frequent and flagrant deniers of responsibility for your sources on this forum - often in detail, explicitly and frequently explaining to us all why you haven't bothered to factcheck anything and why you don't need to trust the sources of your posted claims here.

You have also defended that denial, when people pointed it out to you, right here, at length, in multiple threads on several different topics. Claiming irresponsibility for your own sources, when you get cornered in something so idiotic even you can't brush it off with a quip, is part of your standard schtick here (example of many: your continual defense of your idiotic claim that the Mueller Report contains no evidence of collusion between Trump and Putin).

So the verdict (from the earlier question here) is pretty solidly "dishonesty", i.e. lying, on your part, in the form of bad faith and bullshit; you have no interest in, as well as no knowledge of, the physical reality bearing on your assertions, and that is the defining characteristic of the bullshitter.

In your case (and a feature in addition to the common source you share with the rest of the Bandarlog here) it's not even original bs - you are simply respewing what you've been fed, often without even changing the vocabulary or structure, and like many in the US I have a lifetime's familiarity with the source of your spew: the US corporate authoritarian right, the US establishment of the Western industrial authoritarian capitalist political faction that educated people including themselves labeled "fascist" in the early 1900s, has the most sophisticated marketing and propaganda operation on the planet, and they apparently own you - right down to specific vocabulary, particular errors of fact and argument, and the timing of multiple reversals of claim.

There is, last but not least, professional pride, given that Russia at 2000 was completely corrupt, and that has changed in such a way that today it is the US which is quite obviously more corrupt

Not Minnesota, or several other States. Not the centrist wing of the Democratic Party, which does have political influence.

The most corrupt officials in the US - and they are very corrupt, although Putin's tactic of overtly and publicly murdering journalists on the White House grounds is still out of their range - are the ones allied with Russian organized crime. If you choose to believe that a Russian government and economic establishment in willing collusion with the most corrupt officials in the US is not itself corrupt, that is your call - but you look like a fool to anyone familiar with US politics.

 

[Michael 345]

IOW, there is no question.

what happens? ie where is perhaps best place to reveal evidence? Jo himself? Secret Service? other?

So these are what? chopped liver? By my count there are 4 questions

Do you even READ ALL of the post? Or get part way through, jump to 'I know this' and clump clump clump off to answer - incorrectly?

The questions were about HOW SHOULD THE EVIDENCE BE HANDLED. If you read into my post ANYTHING about invalidating the election please explain how you came to your conclusion, thank you

I answered your post correctly the first time . "If pigs could fly should we close the airlines "? , i.e. NONSENSE

Pure delusional. BUT again if you can return to my original theoretical post

Purely theoretical

• Biden sworn in
• unfalsifiable evidence comes to light
• election was rigged
• what happens?

Thought bubble only

(I have made it easy for you and made bold the single question and enlarged the give away clue - the question mark)

You never answered but blabbered away wanting more information, as if that would make a difference. The question was WHAT WOULD HAPPEN REGARDING THE FOUND EVIDENCE

Explain "rigging an election" and "unfalsifiable evidence" of what?
Who would be responsible? A precinct, a county, a state, half the nation, the News.

You follow though blabbing on about 'once sworn in being untouchable'. The single question in my original post (question was WHAT WOULD HAPPEN REGARDING THE FOUND EVIDENCE - expanded to clarify) has nothing in common with the status of the President

I would be fascinated to put a definitive diagnosis on your condition because it is looking, to me, to be a whole new field of medical conditions to be explored

I suspect it may have a cousin in dyslexia

 

[Quantum Quack]

here is, last but not least, professional pride, given that Russia at 2000 was completely corrupt,

lol and what makes you think it still isn't totally corrupt?
Putin is nothing more than an organized crime sock puppet, carefully walking a tight rope between the gun being held to his head and the need to maintain the pretense of control.
Now there's your true globalists..

 

[Quantum Quack]

Yes, in that private world some people will own and use illegal porn.

ah! there it is again.... you really can't help yourself can you? I made no specific note, but you have.
In the news here this morning 14 men have been arrested for online child abuse activities... with many international referrals. Using social media, and encrypted communications to propagate their seriously perverse interests.
So the families of the children who were subject to abuse, potentially destroying their futures, obviously want the perpetrators caught so that they don't continue to destroy children's future and demand greater surveillance and web monitoring and in some cases even assist with funding their own "vigilante-isms".

Is it really little wonder that governments are legislating?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11...ly-abused-on-the-nsw-mid-north-coast/12870250

When you abuse your freedom what do you think is likely to happen?

 

[Quantum Quack]

 

[Michael 345]

I suspect most can't understand what you are on about as you are being exceptionally vague and nonsensical with bizarre 'what if' scenarios and then losing your proverbial shit when you don't get the answer you actually want..

I suspect most can't understand what you are on about as you are being exceptionally vague - didn't (don't) think that SO vague

• Biden sworn in
• unfalsifiable evidence comes to light
• election was rigged
• what happens?

3 statements, 1 question

I am interested in the workings of the American election system (using system with trepidation) and the theoretical play out SHOULD evidence be found of rigging be found AFTER the swearing in

What would happen to such evidence?

losing your proverbial shit ✓ guilty
when you don't get the answer you actually want. X there is no wanting any particular answer (I was suspecting a range)

losing your proverbial shit ✓ was more in response to a particular poster whose response seemed to indicate (as soooooo many of said responses are indicative of) either

• not understanding the question - possible, but ruled out when I gave more details
• a 'I am right' attitude - not of the 'river' brand but of the 'see how much information I can post to back up my view' brand

 

[Michael 345]

If you throw things at the wall, can we watch?

Sure but I will charge a fee

Your general response was much what I was expecting

LOL

Enough said re poster

 

[Quantum Quack]

Perhaps, but if the threat is from overseas, and you're intensely surveilling the sky for bombers, you're not really looking for the little boy tying your shoelaces together. The threat from foreign interference, I'd imagine, would mostly be in the digital realm - the Cambridge Analytica methodology etc. So surveillance and counter-measures would be focussed there. The "tremendous fraud" they think the Democrats pulled off is more in the physical realm - i.e. the physical votes.

From what I have read, the threat from overseas is via the manipulation and incitement of local people using social media and other methods. They also employ people (money) to orchestrate fraud in the real and not just online.

 

[Saint]

1) will federal court decide who is president?
2) https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/2020_elections_electoral_college_map.html
why this website does not declare Biden 279 votes?