You are all foolish because of the fact you all think the same you don't even questiong anything, and when people tell you what to question and criticize and what exact expalantion of the phenomenons are you call them crackpots and you laugh at them-yes, this is typical behaviour of religious fanatics in religion called mathematics, statistics and computer models-you are so limited in your thinking because you only calculate, you never think, you just caluclate, this is why I'm not surprised that both general relativity and quantum mehcanics are both wrong-since they cannot be unified among all other reasons I posted about in previous posts. If math cannot explain anything at all what people ask, than it's not basic and necessary it's 100% useless, you just have to abandon it once and for all. You said: What I don't understand is if you do not use math how can you work out anything or record results. That's because this is total manipulation of expanations of direct observations in experiments-why don't you simply try to explain without using math, using knowledge that we already know? Without using mathematics is the only truly 100% objective way to actually know what exactly you have proven in experiments, what experiment proves not what mathematics proved, that is the key. But none wants to hear about this, let alone accept these facts and objectivism, because mathematics will say something and than will create more hypotheses which will intepreted as proven in experiments, even though you did not observe in experiment what mathematics say? In experiments, it should be interpreted what is seen, not what mathematics, statististics and comupter models say it is proven-because that pure fraud and manipulation of the real results on what truly and exactly was directly observed.