Spritual Terms defined?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by KUMAR5, Dec 9, 2017.

  1. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    Sounds like Shakti. Putting a Hindu spin on things will go over the heads of 90% of this board's participants, for whom religion = fundamentalist Biblical Christianity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakti

    I don't have a lot of problem with hypothesizing some kind of primeval reality out of which the rest of the universe supposedly manifests. Theoretical physicists do exactly the same thing. See this paper that's been posted on this board over and over and over and over and over and...

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.1207v1.pdf

    I personally think that your version is superior in one respect, because you don't dishonestly call your hypothetical source "nothing". But using the words "God" and "Goddess" will just make atheist knees jerk. The board's dimmer atheists will reject anything you say if you use theistic vocabulary, but if you call your source the "Wheeler-DeWitt equation" and "vacuum energy", they will eagerly lap it up.

    But if I was going to divide the original source up into two different principles, I'd be more inclined to do it hylomorphically, dividing it into matter and form, instead of matter and energy. Physics (as I believe it is currently conceived) imagines quanta of forces and particles equivalently in terms of virtual gauge bosons. That would seem to me to collapse your two ultimate divine principles together.

    And I most definitely wouldn't try to personalize ultimate metaphysical principles in a theistic way. That just adds additional unnecessary levels of confusion. Frankly, I don't think that the whole project of trying to restate traditional Hindu religious categories in quasi-"scientific" language derived from physics is very helpful. (Not to me at least.) It might be personally valuable to you though, in your attempts to better conceive of things and to perhaps reduce some cognitive dissonance. So I don't want to dismiss it.

    All of that seems confusing and unnecessary.

    Dharma, right? I'm not sure that one can derive ethics from metaphysics quite so easily. (The is-ought problem -- how does one derive 'ought' from 'is'?) In other words, why is accordance with the "state of nature" and fulfilling one's natural duties (whatever they are) morally or spiritually good?

    I think that's certainly part of it, but I suspect that there's more to it than that. Some yogins seem to achieve extraordinary levels of self-control. Many would argue that yogins achieve extraordinary states of consciousness as well. Perhaps they learn something in those states.
     
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  3. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    Yes. Technically both force/energy & matter exist. Unless we can know about supernaturals, these can be the basis. Prime force & particle under active research.

    Let us not base specific definitions of dharma/religion. We mus check its universally applicable definition. I feel, my definitions suggest accordingly. Thanks.
     
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  5. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Actually it does.
    Predators MUST kill to survive.
    Contrariwise: if the prey lives then the predator dies.
    One must die in order for the other to live - thus there is no "right to live" for both.

    Please learn to think.
     
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  7. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    I can accept KUMAR5's definitions for the purpose of discussions with KUMAR5, but they are not universal or scientific. They are rather arbitrary definitions which are probably derived from popular religious culture.
     
  8. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    That is natural practice not nstural act.
     
  9. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    Not derived from any religious culture but just thought logically.
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Asking for the third time:

    By what scientific logic do you posit a 'prime goddess' and how it might relate to forces?
    By what scientific logic do you posit a 'prime god' and how it might relate to particles?
     
  11. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Evidence?
    That claim sounds like wishful thinking on your part.

    As does this.
     
  12. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    Force/energy and particle/matter can only be two scientific basic possibility. Otherwise, we may need to accept supernatural.
     
  13. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    Well apparent. Everyone tend to live. Noone want to die. Nature has given strength to live not to die.
     
  14. Michael 345 Next for NT Anzac Day 2018 Valued Senior Member

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  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    No.

    Apart from prey animals or predators that don't prey.

    Meaningless supposition.
    Everything dies.
     
  16. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    You just arbitrarily applied religious terms to vaguely scientific concepts. There is no reliable evidence of anything supernatural. That would be true whether or not there is a scientific explanation.
     
  17. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    It is religion discussions. Just base logic & sense.
     
  18. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    Why don't you agree that prey animals have been created by nature for sole purpose to serve food for predators? No other purpose.
     
  19. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    What can be the other possibly apart from it and from supernatural?
     
  20. Michael 345 Next for NT Anzac Day 2018 Valued Senior Member

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    How about when predators serve as prey?
    Have they been created by nature to serve as examples of animals with duel purpose use?

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  21. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    Nature should have created all live beings (other than fully ripened fruits)for sole purpose of to live & sustain. Rest all happenings should be live being's created for need, greed or luxury somewhat by free will.
     
  22. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Just as I thought - wishful thinking. No logic or science here.
    Why "should" it have done so?
     
  23. Michael 345 Next for NT Anzac Day 2018 Valued Senior Member

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    "Nature should......"

    Now your arrogant enough to proclaim what Nature should.....?????

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