It's perhaps worth pointing out that looks do matter to some people, and they don't place a high value on thoughts, opinions or intelligence.
For example, take your average model (and don't get me wrong - I've known a few very intelligent models). Their job is to look good. And they work at it. If you're a model, you spend time working out, you watch what you eat, you spend time and money on making your body look as attractive as possible. Your value in the industry depends on your maintaining your looks. Not so much on your thoughts or opinions.
Which has what to do with this discussion or this thread? Is this thread about models and politics? Or how one looks, works out, how attractive they are, how they compare to other women and politics?
Which was why I pointed this out to tali89 in the first place. What did it have to do with anything being discussed in this thread and what did it have to do with her political beliefs? Are you looks based on your political beliefs? Is your work ethic based on your political beliefs?
Tali89's stereotypes that people who are on the left of the political spectrum (not to mention feminists, liberals, etc) are somehow lazy, fat, ugly. In saying this, tali89 then advised that she works out, is attractive compared to other women, especially liberals and feminists, and that is because of her political beliefs. Which is why I asked what did her looks have to do with anything, in particular this thread, this site and this topic.
Perhaps you can answer that question for her? You know, since looks do matter to some people and I never claimed that they did not. Quite the contrary. What I did ask was what did it have to do with this thread and this site. Do you care about how people on this site look like? Do you equate people's looks, their health and fitness with their political affiliations? Since tali89 has yet to be able to answer these questions and since you are pointing out that looks matter to people like models, for example, perhaps you could explain what do looks have to do with this thread, this topic and this site? Because I am yet to try to understand why she felt it was important to tell us she was attractive compared to left liberal feminists. What point is she trying to make with that particular stereotype?
I'll put it this way, say you are participating in a discussion in the physics forum. Do you judge people on whether they tell you they are attractive or not? Or do you only care about their argument and how they present their argument on this site and in that thread?
Making a career out of how you look is a choice, as valid as any other career path. And in terms of achievement in a career where looks matter, your looks really do mean diddly squat. And it's not just models. It's also actors, television presenters, PR people etc. - and not just women either. If your career doesn't depend on looks, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't care about how you look, either. Looks count in every facet of life, for good or ill. You can argue that looks shouldn't matter, but they do.
And if tali89's employment is based solely on her looks, then it is excellent that she is doing all that she can to protect her source of income, whatever that may be. And even if it isn't based on her looks, it's great that she is doing all that she can to remain healthy and fit. But what exactly does that have to do with this discussion?
I'll put it this way, in a discussion about misogyny amongst conservative circles, do you think coming out and saying something along the lines of 'I'm attractive, work out, am fit and healthy and it's because I am not a left leaning liberal feminist' is not actually buying into the misogyny of the conservative right? Okay, she's attractive, takes care of herself and works out. That's great. And? That's it? I mean, this is an achievement that somehow matters in this discussion? Are we supposed to care what she looks like and what she does to look like she does? Do you care to know? Perhaps sculptor does, since he asked her to post a picture. But I don't think anyone really cares. And I certainly do not think that people would assume that she must be attractive, fit and healthy because she is a political conservative.
What interests me more is the claim that being conservative rather than liberal somehow makes people better looking - a claim that I find quite bizarre, if that is indeed what is being claimed. I can't see how being a feminist, for example (conservative or liberal), could possibly change one's appearance. Perhaps tali89 can explain that one for us.
But it isn't just liberal. Apparently it's also being a feminist.
Which tali89 clearly is not. While she is enjoying the fruits of feminist labour, being allowed and able to get an education, go to a gym, live her life as she sees fit, have choices, have a job of her choice, she is bagging those very feminists that made all of that possible for her, and apparently they are all "
land whales" because of their liberal and feminist idealogy. And it
doesn't end there. She went on with more offensive stereotypes and
accused my parents of apparently being "perpetual victims" because I had mentioned that they were left leaning liberals who have an amazing worth ethic who overcame racism and apartheid to achieve all they achieved and pointed out that work ethic has nothing to do with one's political affiliations (neither do looks, which she thinks they do because apparently left leaning liberals are slovenly and apparently fat because they lack personal responsibility that as a conservative, has her at the gym working out), but by the morals and values one gets from ones parents.
The Kardashians are valued in certain quarters, like it or not. Just because you don't place high value on them doesn't mean that nobody else does.
Just saying.
Of course people do. People who place a high value on how her butt looked in her sex tape which was used to launch her and her family to celebrity status certainly place a high value on them. However if they posted on this site, what would matter more? Their looks? Or what they said here?
Which was my point to tali89. Your looks matter diddly squat here. It's what you say and how you say it that is of value.
As for the Kardashians, they work hard at selling their brand. Even if it means releasing sex tapes. Is it their political affiliation that imparted that particular work ethic?
Let's look at tali89. Is it her political affiliations that imparted her work ethics and made her go to the gym, as she claims, to make her more attractive compared to the other women she compares herself to, women she deems are feminists and left leaning liberals, not to mention, as she was so kind to inform us, improved her career prospects and love life? Do her looks matter here, in this thread? I don't think it does. Perhaps someone could explain to me why it does matter?
