Is Life a Dialogue or a Monologue?

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  1. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Why does something have to be permanent to "matter"?
    I remember my parents and three of my grandparents. I know things about the grandfather who died before I was born, so he "matters" to me too.
    What does that have to do with perfection?
    I thought you said that God is our collective consciousness. Doesn't that imply that He is an expression of us, not vice versa?
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Is that not what cosmology actually proposes?
    But rather than using the word dialogue, we use the phrase self-referential information processing, i.e monologue.

    The same holds true for persons. Even if we are engaged in a dialogue, ultimately it is a self-referential monologue. The act of processing any information is a self-referential process.

    A best guess of what's out there. My brain tells me I see a horse. After checking my memory function it appears that my brain's guess is correct and what I see is in fact a horse.

    When my neighbor tells me he sees a horse also, I am having a dialogue with my neighbor, but what he tells me is subject to the same self-referential processes as all sensory input.
    But from the several confirmations I "know" that I am seeing a horse.
     
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  5. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    If it has importance to you, that is fine. However, nothing in this world is permanent. In fact, it all comes to an end when you die.

    Okay Bob.

    Absolutely nothing.

    We would then conclude that we are the only expression of God. That's a bit arrogant.
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Aren't we expressions of ourselves? All my implicate potentials point to my continued existence, at least for a little while.
     
  8. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    You don't seem to have thought it through. You're just skating around the implications.
    What's arrogant is thinking that we are part of God or that God is a collective us. What's humble - and realistic - is that we're piles of chemicals in a chemical universe that has no God.
     
  9. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    My understanding from what I've read and listened to is that we are more like a flashlight that illuminates the world. A flashlight can't illuminate itself. The problem is that we filter that light through concepts and ideas.
     
  10. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    I wonder if any dinosaurs thought this back when they were the dominant lifeforms on earth
     
  11. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not skating around the implications. Imperfection gives this world motion. It wouldn't exist without imperfection.

    So I'm having a conversation with a beaker tube of chemicals?
     
  12. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    My dog loves being a dog, chasing her ball and snacking on my leftovers. She's just happy to be a dog.
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    A flashlight certainly can illuminate itself, but it depends on a limited internal power source.

    People are also self illuminating , however our power source lies outside our body
    According to the Standard Model, you and everything else in the universe is made up of 17 particles.
    i.e. You too are a beaker of particles.

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    The Standard Model of elementary particles (more schematic depiction), with the three generations of matter, gauge bosons in the fourth column, and the Higgs boson in the fifth.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model

    Maybe it might be more accurate to say everything is a pattern of 17 elementary particles.
    Thus it is "patterns" communicating with "patterns". That is beginning to sound logical.
     
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  14. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    So, you give thanks via your bowl of porridge, to an experimenting god? But, you say you are god ''experiencing itself as other''.
    So, that's a god thanking itself.

    Why does a god thank itself?
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Reassurance......

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  16. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    Well, no, according to you, your a god talking to itself. God is you and god is everything.
     
  17. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know. If I put my hands together and bowed to you as a matter of respect, would you be offended?
     
  18. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    And which of those 17 particles account for our awareness of each other?
     
  19. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    But, you are me , I'm you, god is everything remember. A god thanking itself. A god bowing to itself??
     
  20. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. So...? I'm failing to see your point. If we are the same, should I club you over the head or bow in appreciation?
     
  21. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    No, just explain why a god (being everything) should thank itself? Or bow to itself?
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The particles interact. Undifferentiated awareness is a result of interaction (treshold event) and already begins at quantum. (Penrose)

    The Universe is a collection of "bings" (quantum change).

    We may find proof of this from the study of micro-tubules, which may turn out to be tiny quantum processors, but which are present by the billions throughout the bodies of living organisms. We know the micro-tubules react and transmit external and internal information at quantum level.
     
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  23. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Do you love or hate your self?
     

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