Could we create the perfect world?

[Michael 345]

Do you not think that that might be just a tad too hubristic?

Plus a tad condescending

 

[billvon]

Are you really this ignorant or are you a troll?

I don't think she's either. I think she's just young. She's changed her opinion on a few topics already, which is generally not troll behavior.

I would hope that this forum has not become a place where anyone without a sufficient background is called a troll.

 

[gmilam]

I don't think she's either. I think she's just young. She's changed her opinion on a few topics already, which is generally not troll behavior.

I would hope that this forum has not become a place where anyone without a sufficient background is called a troll.

So your vote is for ignorance. That's good, because ignorance can be cured.

 

[billvon]

So your vote is for ignorance. That's good, because ignorance can be cured.

I'd argue that someone who is making an effort to learn is not ignorant.

 

[Holly-May Leslie]

Babies learn to speak. Ergo, they are taught to speak, and they also mimic their parent(s) or caregiver as a form of 'learning to speak'.

For example, feral children brought up by animals from a young age before their language skills can develop, cannot speak and essentially have to be taught to speak and some are rarely able to develop a vocabulary because those skills that develop at a stage in their earlier years, failed to actually develop [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child].


Reading and writing is one thing. Understanding what you are reading and writing, being able to analyse what you read and/or write, you know, what you deem to be "waffle", is another thing altogether. Now, consider why that "waffle" is important.

I know what it means. I just wanted you to explain why you think being heterosexual is "straight" as opposed to someone who is LGBTQI, for example. It's actually quite an offensive term because it implies that not being "straight" is somehow crooked or wrong, for lack of a better term.

Ah, but for "ENGLISH" lessons..

The use of the term, as addressed above, implies that one is wrong for being homosexual.

And one does not have a sexuality.

As for your comments about how you intend to change things... What do you mean by that? How do you intend to change people you think are crooked or wrong? Who do you think are crooked or wrong?

You seem to do this "fine, whatever, you win" schtick quite a bit when challenged.

Particularly for someone who intends to change anything, you sure seem to simply cave. And certainly seem to voice your opinions and make factual statements quite liberally, and then try the same gimmick of 'you were just speculating'. So much so that your performance here is tantamount to trolling. You say things to get people to respond and then you pull this stunt. I would also recommend you actually educate yourself before you come out with rubbish like this:

For goodness sakes! What a silly thing to say.

What?

What do you think happens during pandemics?

Clearly you haven't studied any history whatsoever, or even international events in the last 10 or so years. When outbreaks occur, they have to contain it and yes, that will mean you can't go visiting family and friends, you have to lock down and you can't meet up with groups and whatnot. The reason is to stop the spread of the disease, which is fairly obvious to most.

In my home state, we lock down if we get a few cases of COVID. You can go to the store, etc. But you can't go visiting people. And if we go out, we wear masks and use check-in apps. The lockdowns usually go for a few days and once the contact tracers have managed to track down everyone who has come into contact with those who are infected, and they are tested and made to quarantine at home, everything opens up. It's because we do it quickly and early on that we haven't had any long lockdown. The reason for lockdown is to prevent more people getting sick and prevent it spreading. And we are damn right afraid of the virus. It's killed over 5 million people in less than 2 years and that's with control measures put in place - sadly too late. When control measures are implemented swiftly, less illness and less death. That is how it works in the real world.


Bossy? My kids don't seem to have any issues with how much work they have to do. They only get homework if they don't finish their work in class, so they rarely ever get homework.

It's hard to actually respond to you as I would want to because you are essentially and supposedly a child. In short, no, going to school and having to do school work is not slavery. Your issue is not slavery. It's laziness.

They deal with it by teaching. Sadly, for some children, they just think it's too much work and believe it's slavery.


One does not automatically mean the other.

I guess I should be relieved you didn't add a "duper" in there...

Those who want to invent stuff?

Not because it's important to know how to count, do mathematics, understand the world around them (eg, science, physics, chemistry).. Can I ask, what do you wish to be when you grow up?

To take your example about not getting enough credits and being prevented from "getting any jobs they would have been really good at" (sigh).. If someone does not put in the effort or simply is incapable of earning grades or "credits" for whatever reason, do you think they should be awarded whatever position they want based on the mere belief they may be really good at it? Let's say you believe you'd make a great doctor. You can't get more than a C in any of the science subjects, same for mathematics. You fail to understand or comprehend science, biology, chemistry.. Let's just say you don't really bother with those subjects because you think it's for people who want to "invent stuff". But you think you'd be a good doctor. Do you think they should just allow you to study medicine?

Section 1: Okay.

Section 2: I don't consider rational analysis to be waffle. I consider it to be, at least in part, an entirely different subject.
Also, a lot of and probably most analysis is just about paying attention to what is and what isn't, which is covered in English by learning to read and write and speak.

Section 3: There are all sorts of metaphors and connotations attached to all sorts of words. I didn't know about this one, but okay then. I honestly don't really care about other people's sexuality. I don't know why the world is so obsessed with this topic. It is weird.

Section 4: Okay then. I don't really have any opinions on the matter. I was referring to those who are objectively crooked and wrong. As for how I intend to change them, I am writing a story with underlying theme's about what it takes to create utopia, like, material wealth and comfort, friendship, Restraint, etc. It also includes the opposite of some of these things for contrast. I don't underestimate the power of language. Even if telekinesis were real, language would probably be a better tool. I believe the ability to persuade is more potent than the ability to move things in the world.

Section 5: I'm really not weak despite your implication. I just know that some people may know better than me about the topic at hand. That is why change my views to fit the other persons a lot. I never cave. My estimations do. Also, the way I learn is through discussion. Furthermore, nobody is really a challenge to me.

Section 6: This is just emotional word salad.

Section 7: They might start forcibly vaccinating people against coronavirus eventually. Also, I think that babies need to be decided for. Also, I highly doubt that they even know what a vaccine is, so I don't think that to administer one to a baby is forcing it to get the vaccine, in any case.

Section 8: Okay. Do you think that just because the government says so, it should happen? That just because it is a rule it is good?

Section 9: Okay. Your children will probably continue to have their time and effort drained and used and abused for the rest of their lives then. Also, I am not lazy. I just like to use my time and energy wisely. That is why I have about 97% of what I want.

Section 10: Well then it is too much work. A good teacher can teach concisely, which probably wouldn't take much work or time at all. It would probably just take one or 2 good engaging discussions. Teachers should be more concise I reckon.

Section 11: It does.

Section 13: I stand by my estimation here. Also, materialism is a false paradigm, as words which mean anything other than some kind of experience mean nothing at all, and therefore anything other than some kind of experience is nothing at all. If people want to understand their world, they should study math or philosophy.

Section 14: Actually, I understood all of my subjects perfectly, even though I missed 3 years of school. I just couldn't do enough work in the time I had to do so with everything else going on. I would say that it is the same for most people who fail school. Also, sometimes my teachers would give me less than a perfect grade because I had left out something I WAS NOT TOLD TO DO from the assessment. That is just bs. In summary, yes. I do think that people who fail school should be able to get jobs which require fields of expertise in subjects which they failed. I believe this for all of the aforementioned reasons.

 

[Holly-May Leslie]

Seriously? Let's discuss your sheltered life if you really are (under the impression that people could just get their own boats or private helicopters or planes to travel, if they had enough money.)

Enough I need coffee

Jesus. I'm not sheltered. I just don't know much.

 

[Holly-May Leslie]

Because you said it:


This you?

Every country closed their border.

Because it's a world wide pandemic that has killed millions. Countries with a high vaccination rate are slowly re-opening. Now many are closing again because of this new strain. This is what happens during pandemics. If there's an outbreak of a deadly virus in a country, other countries close their borders to that country. Happens all the time.


No.

Do you know what a visa is? What reciprocal travel arrangements are? How about the notion of borders and how they operate?

Do you understand having to lodge flight paths, for example? That you actually need permission to take off in your plane or helicopter? That if you're leaving a country, that you need clearance to leave? They need to make sure you aren't smuggling wildlife, plants or drugs, as some examples. That you haven't committed a crime and are skipping to avoid incarceration or a fine. That you don't have money's owing or skipping out on paying something that is due or overdue (eg loans, defaulting on loans or bills, child support payments, etc).

What did you learn in school again?


When you leave a country, where do you think you go?

Unless you're in international waters, you will normally be entering another country. And yes, you need permission to enter.

I didn't say that the vaccine itself, or pushing it was leading to dictatorship. I doubt that this is so. I think that the circumstances surrounding the vaccine, namely the lock downs, are leading to dictatorship instead. This is what I said instead.

Maybe every country did close their border. I don't think that things are right just because things are normal, even if you do. I don't, for one thing, think that it is right to jeopardize one's freedom of movement. That is, with the exception of the prevention of trespassing in some cases.

As for what I learnt in school, I learnt word salad in school, mixed in with a bit of math, which was the only subject I took seriously.

Do you know what? People probably shouldn't be allowed to own entire countries. It is effing ridiculous.

That is all I have to say on these topics.

 

[Holly-May Leslie]

Are you really this ignorant or are you a troll?

Neither. Because I am a human. Do you think that babies couldn't learn to speak without school? Are you really that ignorant or are you an idiot?

 

[Holly-May Leslie]

Gaslight much? Welcome to ignore.

I have literally never tried gaslighting before.

 

[Holly-May Leslie]

That's what we have now. You can leave the US whenever you want. To enter any other country, or to re-enter the US, you need a passport. That's why airlines/ships/trains that cross borders often require you to have a passport before traveling internationally. Because while you can leave legally, you can't enter the next country legally, and you can't return to your own county - which means you have now become the airline's problem.

See above.

Okay. Maybe people just shouldn't be allowed to own entire countries, because that jeopardizes the freedom of movement for the rest of us.

 

[Holly-May Leslie]

Do you not think that that might be just a tad too hubristic?

There is no such thing as too hubristic. I just learnt that word. I have been learning lots of new words recently.

 

[Holly-May Leslie]

Plus a tad condescending

It is, perhaps correctly.

 

[Holly-May Leslie]

So your vote is for ignorance. That's good, because ignorance can be cured.

It's all true. I am 17, so I don't know much. Sometimes not knowing doesn't matter, but often it might.

 

[Holly-May Leslie]

I don't think she's either. I think she's just young. She's changed her opinion on a few topics already, which is generally not troll behavior.

I would hope that this forum has not become a place where anyone without a sufficient background is called a troll.

I'm 17. It is true that I don't know much, probably because of this. Thanks for defending me. I don't need it, but it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

 

[Michael 345]

I just know that some people may know better than me about the topic at hand

So many topics, so many people, it's a given

They might start forcibly vaccinating people against coronavirus eventually

Enter, stage left, stage right, down from the ceiling and up through the floor, the lawsuits. Not going to happen

There is no such thing as too hubristic

And this sentence proves there is

 

[Dywyddyr]

There is no such thing as too hubristic.

Wrong.

I just learnt that word.

Obviously you haven't learnt it since, by definition, it means "too much".

 

[Beer w/Straw]

Wrong.

Obviously you haven't learnt it since, by definition, it means "too much".

Please tell us what valuable information might be gotten from your post.

Otherwise, crawl back under your hole.

 

[Bells]

I don't consider rational analysis to be waffle. I consider it to be, at least in part, an entirely different subject.
Also, a lot of and probably most analysis is just about paying attention to what is and what isn't, which is covered in English by learning to read and write and speak.

You consider it to be a different subject, then you say it's "just about paying attention to what is and what isn't".

And why are you responding to me and changing the subject? At no time did I say anything about "rational analysis".

There are all sorts of metaphors and connotations attached to all sorts of words. I didn't know about this one, but okay then. I honestly don't really care about other people's sexuality. I don't know why the world is so obsessed with this topic. It is weird.

Perhaps it's a good idea to not comment or make generalisations about something you clearly do not understand.

Section 4: Okay then. I don't really have any opinions on the matter. I was referring to those who are objectively crooked and wrong.

Without defining what you consider to be "crooked and wrong".

As for how I intend to change them, I am writing a story with underlying theme's about what it takes to create utopia, like, material wealth and comfort, friendship, Restraint, etc. It also includes the opposite of some of these things for contrast.

Handmaid's Tale V2?

It also includes the opposite of some of these things for contrast. I don't underestimate the power of language. Even if telekinesis were real, language would probably be a better tool. I believe the ability to persuade is more potent than the ability to move things in the world.

Keep in mind that you won't change anyone's mind when you are barely able to master the English language, and you certainly won't change anyone's mind when you use said language to post inane comments with little regard for what is factual.

Section 5: I'm really not weak despite your implication.

I didn't say you were weak. Changing the subject again? Or simply unable to understand what is written? Bet you're missing those "ENGLISH" classes now, huh?

I just know that some people may know better than me about the topic at hand.

I would say that is pretty obvious.

That is why change my views to fit the other persons a lot. I never cave. My estimations do.

Something something about contradictory applies here..

Also, the way I learn is through discussion. Furthermore, nobody is really a challenge to me.

And if you were having this discussion with kids in grade school, you might have a point. I say might, because even that is a high bar for you at present.

It's not that no one is really a challenge for you, child. It's that no one is going to want to proverbially put a child in their place on an internet forum, because that would just be mean.

Section 6: This is just emotional word salad.

We live in hope that one day you figure out how to use the software on this site, particularly the quote options so we know what you are actually addressing in a point.

Section 7: They might start forcibly vaccinating people against coronavirus eventually. Also, I think that babies need to be decided for. Also, I highly doubt that they even know what a vaccine is, so I don't think that to administer one to a baby is forcing it to get the vaccine, in any case.

How are they going to forcibly vaccinate people?

Section 8: Okay. Do you think that just because the government says so, it should happen? That just because it is a rule it is good?

The government says you need to obtain a driver's licence before you drive and they also say that to obtain that licence, you need to pass a driving test. Do you think complying with that is silly because 'just because the government says so, it should happen"?

Every single law passed, all the legislation, policies, is essentially the government saying so and it does happen. That is the rule. The government says don't speed, it's dangerous and if you speed, you get a fine. That is the rule. The government says you need to wear a seatbelt and that children have to be in car seats and if people don't comply, they can be charged or even arrested, as it's dangerous to drive kids around without car seats or seatbelts. That is the rule. Do you think they are wrong? Or are you just going to wing it and put the baby in someone's lap, because hey, just because the government said it, doesn't mean it should happen, right?

Section 9: Okay. Your children will probably continue to have their time and effort drained and used and abused for the rest of their lives then. Also, I am not lazy. I just like to use my time and energy wisely. That is why I have about 97% of what I want.

Instead of learning the difference between 'there', 'their', 'they're', you're on sciforums telling a bunch of strangers how no one can really challenge you.

I won't bother saying how I think you should be spending your time. And I'm not saying this to be bitchy, but in the hope that you further your studies and actually do something worthwhile with your life. You say you are a writer? If that is the case, it is important to actually do very well in English and literature. Without it, you won't get far. If you wish to be a writer, you also need to be a good researcher, understand and know history, understand laws (particularly laws pertaining to intellectual property) so that you don't make silly statements or mistakes. The reason I think you are lazy is because you make absolutely no effort to educate yourself on the issues you post on and instead, you make ridiculous statements.

As for my kids, I'm pretty sure they'll be fine..

Section 10: Well then it is too much work. A good teacher can teach concisely, which probably wouldn't take much work or time at all. It would probably just take one or 2 good engaging discussions. Teachers should be more concise I reckon.

As I said, you are lazy.

You want things to be easy and do not want to work for it.

Section 13: I stand by my estimation here.

Estimation of what?

What did you estimate?

Also, materialism is a false paradigm, as words which mean anything other than some kind of experience mean nothing at all, and therefore anything other than some kind of experience is nothing at all. If people want to understand their world, they should study math or philosophy.

Senseless word salad.

You cannot write if you do not understand the world around you and be able to explain it to your readers.

Section 14: Actually, I understood all of my subjects perfectly, even though I missed 3 years of school. I just couldn't do enough work in the time I had to do so with everything else going on. I would say that it is the same for most people who fail school. Also, sometimes my teachers would give me less than a perfect grade because I had left out something I WAS NOT TOLD TO DO from the assessment. That is just bs. In summary, yes. I do think that people who fail school should be able to get jobs which require fields of expertise in subjects which they failed. I believe this for all of the aforementioned reasons.

Then perhaps you did not understand directions properly.

And there are classes in colleges and technical colleges that allow you to complete your high school studies. You should perhaps look into those. And if you struggle with the school work, there is help available.

I would also recommend you read up how to use the software on this site, so that you don't post like a dozen posts in a row, responding to individuals. There is a quote function so you can highlight the text you are responding to, select reply and it creates a quote. So you can condense the posts into one post and it's all done for you by the software. There is a 10k character limit and if one's post is longer than that, then we normally then split the posts.

 

[Bells]

I didn't say that the vaccine itself, or pushing it was leading to dictatorship. I doubt that this is so. I think that the circumstances surrounding the vaccine, namely the lock downs, are leading to dictatorship instead. This is what I said instead.

This is what happens in a pandemic.

Maybe every country did close their border. I don't think that things are right just because things are normal, even if you do. I don't, for one thing, think that it is right to jeopardize one's freedom of movement. That is, with the exception of the prevention of trespassing in some cases.

Every country closed their border and most remained closed until just a few months ago. It's a bad pandemic and with air travel, it spread everywhere. It was basically essential travel only and cargo that was being flown around. Borders are only now just starting to reopen. It's not dictatorship. It was about keeping people safe and alive.

As for what I learnt in school, I learnt word salad in school, mixed in with a bit of math, which was the only subject I took seriously.

Which is a shame. However, your current ignorance is self induced. You clearly have access to a wealth of information at your fingertips and you don't seem to make any use of it. You have no idea of what is happening around the world and instead take it upon yourself to make generalised statements about things you clearly do not understand. That is arguing from a standpoint of ignorance. You can change that be doing your own research to understand the world around you. That's not on your teachers. That's on you.

Do you know what? People probably shouldn't be allowed to own entire countries. It is effing ridiculous.

That is all I have to say on these topics.

I'm not even going to bother asking what you are on about now, because really, there's only so much I'm willing to take.

 

[billvon]

Okay. Maybe people just shouldn't be allowed to own entire countries, because that jeopardizes the freedom of movement for the rest of us.

How do you enforce that? Nuclear weapons? Wars?

Personally I think other countries should be able to organize their governments how they like, provided they don't start doing antisocial things like genocide or trying to take over the world.