Could we create the perfect world?

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Holly-May Leslie, Nov 27, 2021.

  1. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

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    I don't think you're hurting it that much. How are you hurting it?
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I keep hearing this over and over. In what way is pushing out a vaccine "leading to a dictatorship?" The polio vaccine was pushed just as hard, if not harder; did that result in dictatorship? Pretty much everyone is required to buy cars that have seatbelts, horns and brake lights now; does that mean we live in a dictatorship? You have to have a passport to travel internationally, and foreigners need a visa (or similar entry accommodation) to enter. Does all that mean we are living in a dictatorship?

    Keep in mind that a dictatorship is a form of government where one person (or a very small number of people) hold absolute power, without elections, constitutional checks or courts to limit or change that power. It does not mean "the government makes me do things I don't like."
     
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  5. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

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    I don't think it is. What made you think that I thought that it was?
     
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  7. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

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    I don't know. Did it? I would guess not.
     
  8. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

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    The other points sound very dictatorial though, especially the bit about travel. I was under the impression that people could just get their own boats or private helicopters or planes to travel, if they had enough money. Isn't it like that?
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Because you said so. Your words: "This is because the circumstances [around the vaccine] seem to be leading to a dictatorship."
    Nope.
     
  10. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

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    I didn't say so. I thought that some of the circumstances surrounding it, namely the lock downs, seemed to be leading to dictatorship. I did not, however, propose that pushing the vaccine was leading to dictatorship. I think that advocating it is fine.
     
  11. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

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    Well that should probably change.
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    How would you change it? Should everyone who wants to come in to the US be allowed to do so?
     
  13. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

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    I would say that people should be able to leave their countries without any kind of external clearance, but that this should not apply to entering countries.
    Then again, this might end up with some of them becoming country less. There would probably need to be some way to prevent that.
     
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  14. Bells Staff Member

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    Babies learn to speak. Ergo, they are taught to speak, and they also mimic their parent(s) or caregiver as a form of 'learning to speak'.

    For example, feral children brought up by animals from a young age before their language skills can develop, cannot speak and essentially have to be taught to speak and some are rarely able to develop a vocabulary because those skills that develop at a stage in their earlier years, failed to actually develop [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child].

    Reading and writing is one thing. Understanding what you are reading and writing, being able to analyse what you read and/or write, you know, what you deem to be "waffle", is another thing altogether. Now, consider why that "waffle" is important.
    I know what it means. I just wanted you to explain why you think being heterosexual is "straight" as opposed to someone who is LGBTQI, for example. It's actually quite an offensive term because it implies that not being "straight" is somehow crooked or wrong, for lack of a better term.
    Ah, but for "ENGLISH" lessons..

    The use of the term, as addressed above, implies that one is wrong for being homosexual.

    And one does not have a sexuality.

    As for your comments about how you intend to change things... What do you mean by that? How do you intend to change people you think are crooked or wrong? Who do you think are crooked or wrong?
    You seem to do this "fine, whatever, you win" schtick quite a bit when challenged.

    Particularly for someone who intends to change anything, you sure seem to simply cave. And certainly seem to voice your opinions and make factual statements quite liberally, and then try the same gimmick of 'you were just speculating'. So much so that your performance here is tantamount to trolling. You say things to get people to respond and then you pull this stunt. I would also recommend you actually educate yourself before you come out with rubbish like this:
    For goodness sakes! What a silly thing to say.
    What?
    What do you think happens during pandemics?

    Clearly you haven't studied any history whatsoever, or even international events in the last 10 or so years. When outbreaks occur, they have to contain it and yes, that will mean you can't go visiting family and friends, you have to lock down and you can't meet up with groups and whatnot. The reason is to stop the spread of the disease, which is fairly obvious to most.

    In my home state, we lock down if we get a few cases of COVID. You can go to the store, etc. But you can't go visiting people. And if we go out, we wear masks and use check-in apps. The lockdowns usually go for a few days and once the contact tracers have managed to track down everyone who has come into contact with those who are infected, and they are tested and made to quarantine at home, everything opens up. It's because we do it quickly and early on that we haven't had any long lockdown. The reason for lockdown is to prevent more people getting sick and prevent it spreading. And we are damn right afraid of the virus. It's killed over 5 million people in less than 2 years and that's with control measures put in place - sadly too late. When control measures are implemented swiftly, less illness and less death. That is how it works in the real world.

    Bossy? My kids don't seem to have any issues with how much work they have to do. They only get homework if they don't finish their work in class, so they rarely ever get homework.

    It's hard to actually respond to you as I would want to because you are essentially and supposedly a child. In short, no, going to school and having to do school work is not slavery. Your issue is not slavery. It's laziness.
    They deal with it by teaching. Sadly, for some children, they just think it's too much work and believe it's slavery.

    One does not automatically mean the other.
    I guess I should be relieved you didn't add a "duper" in there...
    Those who want to invent stuff?

    Not because it's important to know how to count, do mathematics, understand the world around them (eg, science, physics, chemistry).. Can I ask, what do you wish to be when you grow up?
    To take your example about not getting enough credits and being prevented from "getting any jobs they would have been really good at" (sigh).. If someone does not put in the effort or simply is incapable of earning grades or "credits" for whatever reason, do you think they should be awarded whatever position they want based on the mere belief they may be really good at it? Let's say you believe you'd make a great doctor. You can't get more than a C in any of the science subjects, same for mathematics. You fail to understand or comprehend science, biology, chemistry.. Let's just say you don't really bother with those subjects because you think it's for people who want to "invent stuff". But you think you'd be a good doctor. Do you think they should just allow you to study medicine?
     
  15. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Since evolution does not have a point such a style of question is meaningless

    I can recall being vaccinated against smallpox at about age 2/3 (1944/5)

    Even now I could take you to the area (don't think the tiny doctors room exist now)

    At the time of course no idea what happening. Certainly I was not forced, I was being taken care of

    Thanks mum

    And while language is fluid and interpretive straight is no longer useful in the manner you described

    Even yourself ummed and ahed (sexually attracted to, or inclined to be sexually attracted to) in your answer

    Enough I need coffee

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  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Since evolution does not have a point such a style of question is meaningless

    I can recall being vaccinated against smallpox at about age 2/3 (1944/5)

    Even now I could take you to the area (don't think the tiny doctors room exist now)

    At the time of course no idea what happening. Certainly I was not forced, I was being taken care of

    Thanks mum

    And while language is fluid and interpretive straight is no longer useful in the manner you described

    Even yourself ummed and ahed (sexually attracted to, or inclined to be sexually attracted to) in your answer

    Seriously? Let's discuss your sheltered life if you really are (under the impression that people could just get their own boats or private helicopters or planes to travel, if they had enough money.)

    Enough I need coffee

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  17. Bells Staff Member

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    Because you said it:

    This you?
    Every country closed their border.

    Because it's a world wide pandemic that has killed millions. Countries with a high vaccination rate are slowly re-opening. Now many are closing again because of this new strain. This is what happens during pandemics. If there's an outbreak of a deadly virus in a country, other countries close their borders to that country. Happens all the time.

    No.

    Do you know what a visa is? What reciprocal travel arrangements are? How about the notion of borders and how they operate?

    Do you understand having to lodge flight paths, for example? That you actually need permission to take off in your plane or helicopter? That if you're leaving a country, that you need clearance to leave? They need to make sure you aren't smuggling wildlife, plants or drugs, as some examples. That you haven't committed a crime and are skipping to avoid incarceration or a fine. That you don't have money's owing or skipping out on paying something that is due or overdue (eg loans, defaulting on loans or bills, child support payments, etc).

    What did you learn in school again?

    When you leave a country, where do you think you go?

    Unless you're in international waters, you will normally be entering another country. And yes, you need permission to enter.
     
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    the term "straight" is quite offensive in my opinion
    i tend to ignore its use & the person using the term because of what it says about the persons grasp of definitions(as well as language, & language tells a lot about a persons intellectual personality.

    it is like saying they are not unique & everyone who is "normal" & "acceptable" is 'of' the pre defined 'group' which is not liberalism

    people have a lot of issues

    "bias"
    what is bias ?

    i believe that sexual orientation is a spectrum

    many people do not
    many people believe sexual orientation is hard wired & should be forced to be obedient to a pre defined binary construct of heterosexuality
    = cult
     
  19. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Are you really this ignorant or are you a troll?
     
  20. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Seriously? Troll.
     
  21. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Gaslight much? Welcome to ignore.
     
  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    That's what we have now. You can leave the US whenever you want. To enter any other country, or to re-enter the US, you need a passport. That's why airlines/ships/trains that cross borders often require you to have a passport before traveling internationally. Because while you can leave legally, you can't enter the next country legally, and you can't return to your own county - which means you have now become the airline's problem.
    See above.
     
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    Do you not think that that might be just a tad too hubristic?
     

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