Write4U
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And the opposite was true during witch trials.
Throw them in the river, if they floated they were a witch and were burned at the stake.
If they drowned, they were innocent, but dead.
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Throw them in the river, if they floated they were a witch and were burned at the stake.
If they drowned, they were innocent, but dead.
Write4U
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The human organism is a universe of different symbiotic bacterial organisms.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new...-project-defines-normal-bacterial-makeup-body
and we are learning to communicate with them...!!!
Remember "quorum sensing". IMO, the functional proto hive-mind able to perform mathematical calculations.
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Gawdzilla Sama
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"J'accuse!" was a handy thing even back then.
Write4U
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No......sh..t.......
And I don't mean Jacuzzi.
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DaveC426913
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Bacteria inside our body would be bad.
Almost all of our flora are in our gut. Technically, our gut is outside our body. Topologically, we are a doughnut - we have a hole through the middle..
Write4U
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On the contrary, our internal bacteria keep us alive.
Note;
There are good (symbiotic) bacteria and bad bacteria.
No, most of our organs function through bacterial action and each organ has its own separate bacterial population which recognizes and keeps the organ in good working order.
In fact the human body is organized around our bacterial populations and functions. That is the revelatory message contained in Basslers presentation.
You need to watch the Bassler presentation several times to gain the full impact of the implications of bacterial functions and internal bacterial communications.
True, the gut has an enormous bacterial population, but it is by no means the only one.
For instance anti-bodies in the blood stream are bacteria. The heart, liver, and kidneys have bacterial functions.
The skin is our largest organ and contains the largest amount of external and subcutaneous bacterial populations.
Anything that has a dynamic functional purpose employs bacterial (chemical) organisms.
There are 10 x more bacterial cells than human cells in and on our bodies.
And 100 x more bacterial DNA than human DNA,............
The human body is primarily bacterial.
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LOL
I was actually thinking this but decided it would be a mite difficult to determine who was the "pet" and who was the master
as Write4U noted: It's quite profound when you consider the implications
well... I have a Catahoula Leopard dog with shepherd mix that is common in LA but not around my neck of the woods: does that count?
DaveC426913
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Source please.
Antibodies are not bacteria. Provide a source for such a claim.
I am not going to watch a video; I want facts, not stage presence.
Most of the rest of what you said does not refute the idea that bacteria are external to the body (yes, skin is a garden of bacteria too).
Write4U
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What facts? Pictures of trillions single celled organisms? I gave you a link.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new...-project-defines-normal-bacterial-makeup-body
OK, here it is;
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/157973.php
Then you're underinformed. Watch the presentation!
Bassler is a scientist who demonstrates the human bacterial bio-chemical structures, functions and communications by means of illustrative slides, demonstrating facts.
That she is a fluent speaker is a plus. You would not have held Carl Sagan's presentational powers against him would you?
Please, take 18 minutes out of your busy day and learn!
This is about controlling virulent bacteria without causing anti-bacterial resistance. And possibly boosting benign symbiotic bacterial functions for improved health.
Important? You bet!
Trust me in this.
Then I would love to get your considered response.......
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Write4U
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You're right, antibodies are not bacteria. They are the product of white blood cells which are bacteria.
https://microbiologyonline.org/abou...s-and-the-human-body/antibody-antigen-complex
This response system is part of the '"quorum sensing" ability of human symbiont bacteria which Bassler describes in her lecture.
Your funny if you think your own a catCat person, in terms of ownership. Visiting friends who own dogs, that's fine. I don't really like the sound of barking.
DaveC426913
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White blood cells are not bacteria.
From the article you quoted:
" ... on the skin, in the gut, and up the nose. "
None of which are internal to the body.
You are confusing the issue here.
mmatt thought that the bacteria would be mostly in the water of our bodies i.e. internal.
I am pointing out to him that this is not true. Bacteria - while they are certainly in intimate contact with us - do not tend to live inside us where our blood, organs and lymph fluids are. They live in the gut, on the skin and often mucus membranes - which are bio-physiologically outside us. Bacteria in the body would be attacked as an infection.
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https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new...-project-defines-normal-bacterial-makeup-body
If I am correct we provide bacteria an warm, wet, nutrient rich home and they help us digest our food.
It sounds amazing that we are learning to communicate with bacteria.
Right. I was not sure if our body and blood also had bacteria in it. Logically we would get sick if we had bacteria growing in our body or blood.
Just imagine the spectrum of different bacteria living just inside our gut.
By my definition it surely counts.
Write4U
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No, you are associating the term bacteria with bad organisms, except for gut bacteria. But the human organism is 90 percent bacteria, all of them symbiotic and beneficial to human health. In fact one (Bonnie Bassler) makes the case that humans cannot survive without the aid of beneficial bacteria, such as the oral and nasal microbiomes and the allergy control microbiomes and last but not least, antibiotic microbiomes, and even auto-immune functions.
In addition to developing a chemical language which renders bad bacteria "deaf" and unable to perform their virulent "quorum sensing", which avoids the selection of resistant bacteria, Bassler argues we might be able to develop chemical language to stimulate our "good" bacteria to function more efficiently and increasing their beneficial health properties.
This is really exciting stuff, IMO.
And talking about the Hawaiian Bobtail squid, this extremely vulnerable invertbrate also uses a symbiotic bacterium as a symbiotic survival strategy, by using their bioluminescence to become invisible to predators and in return creates a safe and nutrient rich environment inside its body for the bacterium.
Check out this excellent presentation; The Microbes Within Us - with Ed Yong
I think we need a separate thread in biology and genetics forum. IMO, this is huge.
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Right. Good bacteria in your gut is good. Bad bacteria inside your body, gut or otherwise, is bad.