Israel's creation made Palestinians victims of Holocaust

**S.A.M.** · 02-19-08, 02:04 PM

A group of visiting German intellectuals called on Berlin on Monday to change what they termed its Holocaust-rooted blind support of Israel, saying the creation of the State of Israel turned Palestinians into victims of the Nazi Holocaust as well.

The four, Dr. Reiner Steinweg, Prof. Gert Krell, Prof. Georg Meggle, and Jorg Becker, took part in a debate Monday evening at the Netanya Academic College on the future of German-Israeli relations. They were among 25 signatories to a petition on the issue that was circulated in the German media following the Second Lebanon War.

According to the manifesto, German responsibility toward the Palestinians is "one side of the consequences of the Holocaust which receives far too little attention." The paper goes on to argue that it was the Holocaust which Germany perpetrated that brought about "the suffering that has persisted [in the Middle East] for the last six decades and has at present become unbearable."

This, according to the manifesto titled "Friendship and Criticism," is because "without the Holocaust of the Jews, Israeli policy would not see itself as entitled - or forced to ride over the human rights of the Palestinians and the inhabitants of Lebanon."

Without the Holocaust, the document adds, Israel would not have enjoyed the same material and political support from the U.S. The researchers told Haaretz this also applies to support from Germany.

"So it is not only Israel which can lay claim to special consideration on the part of Germany. As Germans we share not only a responsibility toward Israel's existence, but also for the living conditions of the Palestinian People," the scholars concluded.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/955766.html

Wow!

Its good to see that people are waking up to the plight of Palestinians.

**Norsefire** · 02-19-08, 04:27 PM

If we are fortunate, more Germans will open their eyes. The Jews don't get special treatment, not even if all but one was killed, no one in history gets special treatment.

**Arsalan** · 02-19-08, 05:56 PM

Actually, more and more groups are popping up in the West and Israel in support of the Palestinians. Its a good thing. Maybe now Palestinian blood wont be seen as cheap. Wishful thinking?

**spidergoat** · 02-19-08, 06:45 PM

No, that was their own fault. The Palestinian Arabs were so blinded by hatred, they could not feel compassionate towards the Jews, who were victims of genocide. Whatever suffering the Palestinians have endured through their displacement, they never went through a genocide. They are self-made victims.

**Asguard** · 02-19-08, 06:47 PM

spider i surpose you concider the same of the Australian aborigionals, the africans who were taken as slaves ect?

**Arsalan** · 02-19-08, 06:51 PM

Dont get me wrong. I do believe in a 2 state solution. But that will only happen when Israel understands the reason for the widespread opposition towards itself and the Palestinians accept that Israel is here to stay.

**Norsefire** · 02-19-08, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by spidergoat

No, that was their own fault. The Palestinian Arabs were so blinded by hatred, they could not feel compassionate towards the Jews, who were victims of genocide. Whatever suffering the Palestinians have endured through their displacement, they never went through a genocide. They are self-made victims.

fucking bullshit

Sorry, but I don't care NOBODY DESERVES SPECIAL TREATMENT

So the Palestinians never went through a genocide......I don't give a fuck, YOU GIVE THEM AMERICAN LAND THEN

Sorry, tough luck Jews, but i'm not giving you my land (from a Palestinian perspective)

Or should the Jews just get everything special treatment? Sheesh, tell them "boo hoo, get the fuck over it and stop killing palestinians"

**Norsefire** · 02-19-08, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by spidergoat

No, that was their own fault. The Palestinian Arabs were so blinded by hatred, they could not feel compassionate towards the Jews, who were victims of genocide. Whatever suffering the Palestinians have endured through their displacement, they never went through a genocide. They are self-made victims.

And no, they are not self made victims because they didn't give the land to Israel, Israel took it.

**Arsalan** · 02-19-08, 07:02 PM

Its not as simple as Israel took it. The actual decision to go ahead was taken by the US and the British.

**~~otheadp~~** · 02-20-08, 11:06 AM

Sorry, but I don't care NOBODY DESERVES SPECIAL TREATMENT

so how come the "Palestinians" are the cause celebre of the entire fucking world? surely their suffering hasn't been the worst in the past 60 years...

**15ofthe19** · 02-20-08, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Arsalan

Its not as simple as Israel took it. The actual decision to go ahead was taken by the US and the British.

You probably believe that, don't you?

**spidergoat** · 02-20-08, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Asguard

spider i surpose you concider the same of the Australian aborigionals, the africans who were taken as slaves ect?

Not at all, those are completely different.

**Norsefire** · 02-20-08, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by otheadp

so how come the "Palestinians" are the cause celebre of the entire fucking world? surely their suffering hasn't been the worst in the past 60 years...

Attention isn't special treatment.

The Palestinians are at least fighting for their land back. If the Jews wanted Israel, they should've conquered it.

I don't give a fuck what happened, does that excuse 1948? No. 6 million Jews died. Even if 20 million died, sorry Palestine is for PALESTINIANS.

**spidergoat** · 02-20-08, 04:56 PM

What's wrong with a tiny Jewish enclave on the edge of a vast Arab empire?

**Mr.Spock** · 02-20-08, 05:24 PM

if it means they are taking in the Palestinians then they have a go.

**Norsefire** · 02-20-08, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by spidergoat

What's wrong with a tiny Jewish enclave on the edge of a vast Arab empire?

The fact that if YOU support them, give them YOUR land and everyone is satisfied. Yes, spidergoat, your very home, your very city. Move out tomorrow everyone and give it to them.

**Mr.Spock** · 02-20-08, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Norsefire

The fact that if YOU support them, give them YOUR land and everyone is satisfied. Yes, spidergoat, your very home, your very city. Move out tomorrow everyone and give it to them.

im sure the majority in Syria will remove you out of your home someday and hang you

**Norsefire** · 02-20-08, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.Spock

im sure the majority in Syria will remove you out of your home someday and hang you

Why would they? No Syria is united and i am a patriot so no they wouldn't

Certainly you though.....you're not even a devout Jew, living in a Jewish Homeland!