Israel's creation made Palestinians victims of Holocaust

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  1. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I think if you have a worthy cause, you will fight better. The Jews were passionate about Zionism because they saw it as the last line of defense against all those trying to destroy them, not just then, but throughout history. What would the Arabs fight for? Many of them were nomadic people anyway. They knew they should have been welcome anywhere in the larger Middle East.
     
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  3. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    The palestinians obviously believe in their cause. Otherwise they wouldn't have survived this long. Plus they elected a government that they knew would have repercussions. I haven't heard anyone starting an insurgency against Hamas yet.
     
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  5. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    OK, but that "defense against all those trying to destroy them" came at the cost of Palestinians' land and lives. It isn't acceptable.

    If they want land, they could've had antarctica or some US land.

    UM,.......for their land....?
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    When you're fighting an enemy supported AND funded by the biggest arms trader in the world, fighting better has limited options. They are already using themselves as weapons. it does not get more desperate or more committed than that.

    It did not take Indians so long from the first mutiny 1857 to Independence (1947) because they were not fighting better, just as the African Americans were not slaves for 200 years because they had got comfortable with the notion or it was not a worthy cause.
     
  8. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    so desperate they wanna relocate us to the sea.
     
  9. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Well, whatever they wanna do they can do. After all, it is their land.
     
  10. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    thank you for making that clear.
     
  11. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Millions of people lost their land during the communist revolutions of China, Russia, and Cuba, it wasn't the end of the world.
     
  12. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    But it wasn't right either.

    Also you said "revolutions". Palestine wasn't a revolution, it was just plain injustice.
     
  13. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    was it justice when jews lost their homes in europe? driven from their homes to israel by the arabs? driven out of the west bank in 29 and 35?

    funny how you remember only one injustice.
     
  14. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Hold on........the Arabs, in the Middle East, drove the Jews out of their homes in EUROPE in '29 and '35?

    Take it up with the Germans, take THEIR land.


    Spider, if anyone deserves to give the Jews a homeland, it's the Germans for destroying so many lives. Not Palestinians, who were just minding their own business for the most part.
     
  15. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    There were hardly any Palestinians present when Jews started immigrating in numbers following the pogroms in Russia. There was plenty of room for everyone, but they couldn't get along, so they formed their own state. It was perfectly natural.
     
  16. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    Norsefire, you blibering idiot, Arabs drove the jews from their homes from arab countries, more then 800,000 in numbers, and the jews who lived in the west bank in 29 and 35.
     
  17. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Not from Syria.
    Also, does that excuse Palestine? No.



    Spider, sure sure, but still GERMANY should've been the one to hand half the nation to the Jews.
     
  18. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    youre a liar:
    1948 Jewish population in syria:5,000[12]-30,000[11]

    in 2001: ~100

    maybe the jews should get a piece of land from every arab nation as well huh?

    and they say they dont have any problem with jews, noooo, not at all, only the jews from europe.
     
  19. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    1947 was near the creaton of Israel, and therefore was done for political reasons (like what the Americans did to the Japs in America during WWII)

    However, again, go to Germany and demand their land. They can't say no, they are the ones who caused the whole mess anyway.
     
  20. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    no need to, ive got a country already.

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  21. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    But you can get an even better one by leaving the one you're on (a desert) and going to take Germany. Also the Germans won't resist and attack you, so it's really better!

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  22. Vkothii Banned Banned

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    The M.E. "situation" goes back to before WW1 and the fall of the Britisch Empire. The Nazis were a resurgence of the whole "superior race" thing - the idea of a ruling tribe and also the land for them, that looks a little like colonisation (but the Nazi version included genocide).
    It (the ME) was a religious war, too, and the creation of the state of Israel, is part of the ongoing East-West divide, that's been around for much longer.

    But these days, when were all civilised and everything, it shouldn't be a case of oppression and racial and religious hatred, But it is. So the war isn't over after all. It's not really about religion or race, it's about territory and resources.
     
  23. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Jews aren't even comfortable buying German cars, much less living among their ancestor's murderers.
     
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