How NOT to deal with republicans

Tiassa said:

Well, you went and made a thread about it.

Convince me you don't care.

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Jesus, you don't need a shitty camera to do a screen capture you know? You can hate me all you want, I don't care, but next time I want us to win and to do that will require people like you to change tactics or at the very least not vote for the least electable candidate in the primaries.

ElectricFetus said:

Jesus, you don't need a shitty camera to do a screen capture you know? You can hate me all you want, I don't care, but next time I want us to win and to do that will require people like you to change tactics or at the very least not vote for the least electable candidate in the primaries.

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Oh, for fuck-all sake, now you're just making shit up in order to keep blithering?

Yeah, convince me how whining like a puppy with hurt feelings means you don't care what I think.

Convince me you don't care that we know you're a liar.

I dare you.

Convince me.

You're not capable, are you? Because you're lying when you say you don't care. You did, after all, go start a thread about what I think of you.

Tiassa said:

Oh, for fuck-all sake, now you're just making shit up in order to keep blithering?

Yeah, convince me how whining like a puppy with hurt feelings means you don't care what I think.

Convince me you don't care that we know you're a liar.

I dare you.

Convince me.

You're not capable, are you? Because you're lying when you say you don't care. You did, after all, go start a thread about what I think of you.

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Why should I convince you of such things? What good does it do? Elections that what matters, not opinions. I started a thread about how we need to win by not following the same horrible failed tactics you espouse. As long as in the next 2-4 years you and your ilk learn and we win next time, I don't care how much you hate my guts in the process. Do you get it? I don't care about your opinions, I care about your actions. If you don't get it yet, don't worry, I will repeat my self, over and over again for the next 4 years.

ElectricFetus said:

If you don't get it yet, don't worry, I will repeat my self, over and over again for the next 4 years.

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As will your source, the originators of these fantasies, the rightwing authoritarian media: Breitbart and Fox and hate radio and the revolving punditry of the corporate-sponsored talk shows.

Repetition is how they - and then of course you - roll.

Unconvincing

ElectricFetus said:

... I will repeat my self, over and over again for the next 4 years

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Yes, but there was the bit about trying to present yourself as some manner of Democrat or liberal. Now that we've put that lie to rest, blither away. Bawling for bullies is what you do, and that is certainly objectionable enough in its own context. Trying to swindle people into believing you're giving some manner of sympathetic advice is hardly new. For instance, as I happen to be queer I can, in fact, tell you it just didn't work, either, when Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) tried to convince homosexuals he was on our side.

You're not original, and you're not convincing.

Then again, neither was Ted. Although, yeah, it was nearly astonishing that he tried. I don't know whether it's a question of admiring the ginormous balls of biliously corroded steel, or marveling at the stupidity of even trying.

You, however, well, "dime a dozen" probably constitutes inflation.
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Cruz, Ted. "Sen. Cruz Issues Statement on Horrific Terrorist Attack in Florida". Press Release. Office of Sen. Ted Cruz. 12 June 2016. Cruz.Senate.gov. 9 April 2017. http://bit.ly/2pipIkn

Tiassa said:

Unconvincing

Yes, but there was the bit about trying to present yourself as some manner of Democrat or liberal.

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You can think I'm a worshipper of satan for all I give a shit. Trump is president and that is, to a degree, your fault. Nothing you say will ever change that fact! You and yours helped built the alt-right as a reaction to your shaming, to your bullying, screaming racist, misogynist, sexist, homophobia, etc, at the drop of hat, shutting down all conversation, breeding animosity.

Oh you are gay? You don't think I didn't figure that long ago, did you notice the gay furry porn last year?

And then you and yours demanded we run the worse possible candidate we could against that pig boar riding the wave of white nationalist trolls you fed.

Sympathetic advice? No I want you to suffer: the trump voters can't feel shame, you can.

ElectricFetus said:

You and yours helped built the alt-right as a reaction to your shaming, to your bullying, screaming racist, misogynist, sexist, homophobia, etc, at the drop of hat, shutting down all conversation, breeding animosity.

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Thirty-some years ago, that would be. 1992 at the latest. How old were you then?

ElectricFetus said:

How was Hillary's health a sexist attack? How about we just point out she is still alive and sentient to this day? That even as a comatose vegetable she would make a better president than Trump? How does screaming "sexist" help that argument? How is that argument boring policy?

As for the racist anti-immigration crap... you people scream "racist racist racist" about it and who now is president? IT DID NOT WORK!

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Of course it was sexist, just like it was racist to ask for Obama's long form birth certificate. Also she won the popular vote. Something else was going on, and we don't abandon one arbitrary core value as an experiment to see if that will bring along the bigots.

spidergoat said:

Of course it was sexist, just like it was racist to ask for Obama's long form birth certificate.

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Sure they believed Obama was some kind of african muslim manchurian candidate, but what exactly did their belief Hillary was on death's door have anything to do with her being a women?

Also she won the popular vote.

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Oh so Hillary president? Oh she isn't. We have this fucked up republic, not a democracy, that has these things called electors which grant more power to smaller states, states we once held but now lost because we no longer had an pro-worker policy, instead we merely claimed we were for you if your had some points on the oppressive stack.

http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/vp-biden-we-ve-lost-touch-with-working-class-793534019849

Something else was going on, and we don't abandon one arbitrary core value as an experiment to see if that will bring along the bigots.

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What core value is that? Something else was going on? what else?

The white working class was told everything was great by the democrats, it is only the blacks, hispanics, gays, etc, that have it bad, and Trump took advantage of that. Now if our core value is to fuck over a large percentage of the voters because of their skin color, we will be doom, only conservatives can survive on such racism.

ElectricFetus said:

Trump is president and that is, to a degree, your fault.

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To a larger degree it is yours. A lot of democrats were disgusted by all the attacks by the Sanders group against Clinton, and that tended to keep them home. Indeed, the Russians realized this and amplified it, hoping to help Trump win by removing Clinton supporters; they succeeded.

billvon said:

To a larger degree it is yours. A lot of democrats were disgusted by all the attacks by the Sanders group against Clinton, and that tended to keep them home. Indeed, the Russians realized this and amplified it, hoping to help Trump win by removing Clinton supporters; they succeeded.

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Your going to blame sanders supporters for the FBI investigations? For the decades of baggage thrown on her? Russia capitalized on THE FACT that she was a horrible flawed candidate.

ElectricFetus said:

Russia capitalized on THE FACT that she was a horrible flawed candidate.

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So their actions were justified. OK then.

Hope you enjoy Trump.

billvon said:

So their actions were justified. OK then.

Hope you enjoy Trump.

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Yes Russia's actions are justified, perhaps not their motives. If I wanted you to get raped in prison and I had evidence, that I nefariously acquired no less, that you are a murderer, then I am justified in presenting that evidence, my motives though are perverse and wrong.

Should all evidence of machiavellian, even criminal, activity by Hillary Clinton have been hidden simply so we would not have trump as president, well there was another answer: we should not have made her our candidate to begin with. I voted for the more viable candidate for president in the primary, anyone that voted for Hillary then might as well have voted for Trump. Remember all the corruption scandals that obama had that Russia released? Oh that right there were none for them to dirty him with because Obama was squeaky clean compared to Hillary Clinton.

ElectricFetus said:

The white working class was told everything was great by the democrats, it is only the blacks, hispanics, gays, etc, that have it bad, and Trump took advantage of that. Now if our core value is to fuck over a large percentage of the voters because of their skin color, we will be doom, only conservatives can survive on such racism.

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So let's see:
1)"the Democrats" that said everything was great for working class whites were who, exactly? Because they sure weren't me, or anybody like me,
and that's who you've been blaming otherwise.
2) Where in hell did "fuck over a large percentage of the voters because of their skin color" come from? Was the minimum wage increase only for certain skin colors? The college tuition help? Is some other skin color getting fucked over if the police have to lay off shooting black guys for no good reason? All of a sudden you're channeling David Duke.
3) you do recognize that "reverse racism" and so forth is not real, right? That it's a hate radio and Republican promulgated deception without basis in physical fact?

You appear to be claiming that the Dems were in reality advocating it. Which brings us to:

ElectricFetus said:

Should all evidence of machiavellian, even criminal, activity by Hillary Clinton have been hidden

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Is there a single talk radio Fox News Hannity/Coulter whackjob meme you have rejected ? Did you fall for every single one?

Because this affects one's choice of future strategy. If you don't realize that most of the baggage and flaws of Clinton were lies and slanders and bizarre fantasies assigned to her by a corrupted media, you may fool yourself into thinking some other candidate would be free of them.

You will also tend to overlook the decisive role of gerrymandering, electoral fraud, and vote rigging operations, in dealing with Republicans.

Conservatives believe all people are equal, which is why blacks, women and LGB are not treated differently than anyone else. There is no need for special treatment if someone is the same. It is the Democrats who wish to give special rights to certain groups, so they vote Democrat. The Democrats really believe that certain groups are inferior and therefore need a boost to create the illusion of equality.

Like in golf, if a group of players all accept each other as being the same skill level, no handicap given to anyone. On the other hand, if the group believes that Joe and Jane are the worse golfers, to make it fair, they may give Joe and Jane a handicap; golf advantage. The Democrat party is built on a foundation of sexism and racism, disguised using freebies for golf handicaps.

What happens if you give a good golfer, a golf handicap, even though they don't need it? One of two things can happen. Some golfers will get an inflated attitude thinking they deserve special treatment for being so good. While others will try to dumb down their game to better fit in with expectations. If we treat all as equal, some people will lose the inflation, while others will find it possible to try harder due to higher expectations.

The Republicans believe in assimilation, which unites people of different backgrounds, with a common culture. The Democrats believe in diversity which is clever way to segregate people using racial and ethnic standards each group has to perpetuate. The Democrats extrapolate back to their roots of slavey and segregation, but with a modern twist that gets the same results.

ElectricFetus said:

Sure they believed Obama was some kind of african muslim manchurian candidate, but what exactly did their belief Hillary was on death's door have anything to do with her being a women?

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Are you serious? Women=weakness=sexist. It's been going on for centuries, surprised you missed it.

spidergoat said:

Are you serious? Women=weakness=sexist. It's been going on for centuries, surprised you missed it.

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That a big leap there, could it not simply be Hillary is old, she got sick (on camera) and they hate her, ergo she is going to die soon? When it was McCain verse Obama I heard many on the left question if he would live long enough, heck he had that cancer removed from his face.

wellwisher said:

Conservatives believe all people are equal, which is why blacks, women and LGB are not treated differently than anyone else. There is no need for special treatment if someone is the same. It is the Democrats who wish to give special rights to certain groups, so they vote Democrat. The Democrats really believe that certain groups are inferior and therefore need a boost to create the illusion of equality.

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Depends what kind of conservative you are talking about, because their may claim that but conversions captured on camera we got: "women can't be president because of hormonal cycles" and "Well the blacks at least had food and board during slavery".

Republicans, as opposed to some nebulous ideology you call "conservative" have many interests, none of them involve equality, other than recognizing corporations as equal to people.

Like in golf, if a group of players all accept each other as being the same skill level, no handicap given to anyone. On the other hand, if the group believes that Joe and Jane are the worse golfers, to make it fair, they may give Joe and Jane a handicap; golf advantage. The Democrat party is built on a foundation of sexism and racism, disguised using freebies for golf handicaps.

What happens if you give a good golfer, a golf handicap, even though they don't need it? One of two things can happen. Some golfers will get an inflated attitude thinking they deserve special treatment for being so good. While others will try to dumb down their game to better fit in with expectations. If we treat all as equal, some people will lose the inflation, while others will find it possible to try harder due to higher expectations.

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Yeah and republicans believe any bum off the street merely needs to pull themselves up by their boot straps and that there should be no welfare, except for certain corporations. How about this: do you believe a person born with millions of dollars inherited should live a life devoid of hard work while a person born with nothing should work their way up? Usually those born rich are spoiled narcissistic shits that think they are gods gift to the universe, or have "inflated" egos. While those born with nothing and no hope of moving up the social ladder get increasingly pissed off and revolutionary. While I agree using sex and race to give "handicaps" is pathetic, taking money from those that did not work for it to those that are working their asses off just to stay afloat is righteous or at the very least self-preserving because if we don't do it sooner than later the poor will revolt and destroy everything in their livid, ignorant, uneducated, furry.

The Republicans believe in assimilation, which unites people of different backgrounds, with a common culture. The Democrats believe in diversity which is clever way to segregate people using racial and ethnic standards each group has to perpetuate. The Democrats extrapolate back to their roots of slavey and segregation, but with a modern twist that gets the same results.

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Oh so now it is the republicans, not conservatives? Well the alt-right openly proclaims a desire for ethno-states and white nationalism, and behind closed doors most republicans do as well.

ElectricFetus said:

Jesus, you don't need a shitty camera to do a screen capture you know? You can hate me all you want, I don't care, but next time I want us to win and to do that will require people like you to change tactics or at the very least not vote for the least electable candidate in the primaries.

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so your still pretending your not the problem i see. I guess while i was down you looked down. when are you to stop this childish dick measuring attacking every one? you don't have the answers child your the freaking problem.

pjdude1219 said:

so your still pretending your not the problem i see. I guess while i was down you looked down. when are you to stop this childish dick measuring attacking every one? you don't have the answers child your the freaking problem.

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You present no evidence for your argument, none. I present the FACT that Hillary Clinton lost against the (2nd) most unelectable candidate ever, a pig boar huckster, and I argue based on this fact that anyone that voted for her in the primary that argued for her, made a disastrous error.

Another argument based on fact: pointing out someone is a sexist, racist, facists, etc, is completely useless name calling, it even costs us more votes then it gains us.

If you can't accept these facts, oh well I guess I will have to keep repeating my self.

ElectricFetus said:

You present no evidence for your argument, none. I present the FACT that Hillary Clinton lost against the (2nd) most unelectable candidate ever, a pig boar huckster, and I argue based on this fact that anyone that voted for her in the primary that argued for her, made a disastrous error.

Another argument based on fact: pointing out someone is a sexist, racist, facists, etc, is completely useless name calling, it even costs us more votes then it gains us.

If you can't accept these facts, oh well I guess I will have to keep repeating my self.

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you don't have an argument child. your an entire childish ranting is that hillary lost so of course your right. and the second you have never proven. your just a whiny child who doesn't give two shits about winning just raging and pretending your better than everyone else hint your not. grow the fuck up