Near death experiences

Do you think that Black Holes are involved in recycling of energy and matter?

  • No

    Votes: 3 50.0%

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 33.3%

  • Perhaps????

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • Total voters
    6
A near death experiencer reported being shown that Black Holes are like massive recycling machines or processing centres?

Perhaps if we have an idea what function a phenomena performs it may be easier to come up with other answers about the how and the why?

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05

When I realized this I was finished with the Void, and wanted to return to this creation, or Yuga. It just seemed like the natural thing to do. Then I suddenly came back through the second Light, or the Big Bang, hearing several more velvet booms. I rode the stream of consciousness back through all of creation, and what a ride it was! The super clusters of galaxies came through me with even more insights. I passed through the center of our galaxy, which is a black hole. Black holes are the great processors or recyclers of the Universe. Do you know what is on the other side of a Black Hole? We are; our galaxy, which has been reprocessed from another Universe. In its total energy configuration, the galaxy looked like a fantastic city of lights. All energy this side of the Big Bang is light. Every sub atom, atom, star, planet, even consciousness itself is made of light and has a frequency and/or particle. Light is living stuff. Everything is made of light, even stones. So everything is alive. Everything is made from the Light of God; everything is very intelligent." (Mellen Benedict)
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For philosophical reasons I lean heavily toward Multiverse Theory and an obvious question related to this might be........ would the other galaxy being reprocessed in that black hole at the centre of our galaxy..... perhaps be from another time line that we are now finished with..... due perhaps to our now being in a much improved time line????
 
Once inside a black hole, nothing ever comes out. (As much as we know about black holes) So, I doubt black holes would be good “tools” for recycling.

What does the “near death experience” have to do with this idea?
 
wegs said:
Once inside a black hole, nothing ever comes out. (As much as we know about black holes) So, I doubt black holes would be good “tools” for recycling.

What does the “near death experience” have to do with this idea?
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All that I know is that near death experiencers seem to have a surge in IQ and other intellectual gifts and I personally have been rather shocked at the insights that they have given all across the spectrum of questions that they addressed.

Some near death experiencers have been shown what looks to be non-linear time........
which sounds to me like a basis for a whole new understanding of Multiverse Theory......
actually... perhaps even Applied Multiverse Theory?!

It seem like the consciousness of the near death experiencers.....
while in the out of the body state.... can process a quantity and quality of information on many subjects that they could not have done while in the body......

https://www.near-death.com/science/research/science.html
[paste:font size="6"]Science and the Near-Death ExperienceSpiritual Development Blog describes the situation best. Ultimately, all materialistic explanations for NDEs must fail because they cannot explain the paranormal components of the phenomena, such as shared near-death experiences where multiple people share a near-death experience, and veridical near-death experiences where the experiencer remembers verifiable information that could not have been perceived with his normal senses even if he were conscious. The Spiritual Development Blog has discussed these types of cases and provided examples on their website and elsewhere on their blog. Even claims that veridical perceptions are due to ESP do not contradict the conclusion that near-death experiences represent out-of-the-body consciousness and evidence for the afterlife because ESP is not produced by the brain and ESP during near-death experiences is best explained as out-of-the-body consciousness. However it is interesting to see how weak the materialists hypotheses are on their own ground. It shows that these materialistic hypotheses are proposed by people who are incredibly ignorant of near-death experiences. It says something sad about the current state of the scientific profession that scientists would make such reckless proposals without investigating the subject they are discussing.

Table of Contents
1.Scientific theories explaining NDEs
2.Near-death studies research conclusions
3.Events which can trigger an OBE or NDE
4.Scientific discoveries are coming from another dimension
5.Television-like technology exists in the afterlife
6.Computer-like technology exists in the afterlife
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The writers at Psychology Today magazine actually got me researching these accounts thirty years ago. Their fascination with these accounts rubbed off on me.


Bright Lights, Big Mystery | Psychology Today
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200910/bright-lights-big-mystery?page=4
 
I read somewhere that someone who had a near death experience said that black holes were just very dense matter and that there was nothing more to it than that.

I read another NDE report and the person said that the Second Coming would involve Daffy Duck. Does this fit into the Multi-verse Theory or String Theory? Does Chaim Tjman MD have anything to add? Maybe this fits into the Unified Field Theory of Modern World Problems?
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Dennis Tate has some ideas about a connection between NDEs and string theory and BHs.
Read some of this other threads/posts to catch up.
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Beginning at the nineteen mark in this video former Atheist Rabbi Alon Anava describes what it was like to first......
do something of a "Vulcan Mind Meld" with the girl he was with at the party where he overdosed.........

He describes seeing while during his NDE he sees her past, her present and her future.... all at once.

Then he describes the "graphic design of the world" like the html for the bridge he passes through.......

Then he describes being above the taxi cab and going into an apartment building and being able to know and understand......
the past, the present and the future of all the people in the apartment building..........

It seems to me that if you got a Jewish near death experiencer... a Buddhist near death experiencer.....
an Islamic near death experiencer.. a Christian near death experiencer.... they would have have a surprising amount of overlap in their accounts
and what the really huge lesson was that they feel that they learned from their NDE????


"My Life After Death Experience" with Alon Anava
 
DaveC426913 said:
Dennis Tate has some ideas about a connection between NDEs and string theory and BHs.
Read some of this other threads/posts to catch up.
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Near death experiencers report that humanity will come together......
and begin to agree more and more on what matters... and we will begin to
address the really big problems facing us. The very positive future that they predict is coming within two centuries sounds like a fantasy........
but at least it gives us something that may make our kids or grandchildren feel some more hope for the future that looks pretty scary at this time.


https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a09

The clearing of the rain forest will slow down, and in fifty years there will be more trees on the planet than in a long time. If you are into ecology, go for it; you are that part of the system that is becoming aware. Go for it with all your might, but do not be depressed. It is part of a larger thing. Earth is in the process of domesticating itself. It is never again going to be as wild a place as it once was. There will be great wild places, reserves where nature thrives. Gardening and reserves will be the thing in the future. Population increase is getting very close to the optimal range of energy to cause a shift in consciousness. That shift in consciousness will change politics, money, energy.

After dying, going through my near-death experience and coming back, I really respect life and death. In our DNA experiments we may have opened the door to a great secret. Soon we will be able to live as long as we want to live in this body. After living 150 years or so, there will be an intuitive soul sense that you will want to change channels. Living forever in one body is not as creative as reincarnation, as transferring energy in this fantastic vortex of energy that we are in. We are actually going to see the wisdom of life and death, and enjoy it.
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Dennis Tate said:
All that I know is that near death experiencers seem to have a surge in IQ and other intellectual gifts and I personally have been rather shocked at the insights that they have given all across the spectrum of questions that they addressed.
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Disney should make an animated movie.
 
But anyone could claim a “near death experience,” when ya think about it.

“I was walking dangerously close to the edge of a cliff. If my footing slipped, I’d have fallen over and plunged to my death. I tripped on a small, jagged rock but caught myself. Whew, that was close!”

Is that a near death experience? I’m not being flip, I’m genuinely interested. And if it would be considered a NDE, why would I suddenly have immense clarity and insight into the unknown depths of the cosmos?
 
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wegs said:
Is that a near death experience? I’m not being flip, I’m genuinely interested. And if it would be considered a NDE, why would I suddenly have immense clarity and insight into the unknown depth of the cosmos?
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Generally near death experiences involve losing blood flow to the brain, resulting in those NDE's as the brain starts to shut down.
 
billvon said:
Generally near death experiences involve losing blood flow to the brain, resulting in those NDE's as the brain starts to shut down.
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Ah, I see. So, this is the definition we’re going with for Dennis’ threads?

Okay, so going with this definition - how would someone experiencing this NDE, have a higher IQ and have increased insight into black holes?
 
Seattle said:
I read somewhere that someone who had a near death experience said that black holes were just very dense matter and that there was nothing more to it than that.

I read another NDE report and the person said that the Second Coming would involve Daffy Duck. Does this fit into the Multi-verse Theory or String Theory? Does Chaim Tjman MD have anything to add? Maybe this fits into the Unified Field Theory of Modern World Problems?
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You've left out Bellend Menedict. :D
 
wegs said:
Ah, I see. So, this is the definition we’re going with for Dennis’ threads?

Okay, so going with this definition - how would someone experiencing this NDE, have a higher IQ and have increased insight into black holes?
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The question also seems to be why go with explanations from people with reduced blood flow to the brain over those not so encumbered?

It's a kind of tortured logic to see how IQ would go up under such circumstances. Also increased IQ still does give one an edge in seeing the future.
 
When the astronauts were on the Moon looking back at Earth they "realized" that it's a pretty small world and that it would be great if we could all get along and forget our petty grievances.

It's likely that when people are near death they have a similar feeling. Why would you be thinking about petty things at that point.

There is no great insight into the Universe though, no IQ increase, nothing that reduced blood flow wouldn't replicate. Chaim Tejmen MD should realize that.
 
wegs said:
Okay, so going with this definition - how would someone experiencing this NDE, have a higher IQ and have increased insight into black holes?
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People who experience NDE's often THINK they have a higher IQ (and more insight etc.) But then again, people who do acid think the same thing.
 
Dennis:

Dennis Tate said:
A near death experiencer reported being shown that Black Holes are like massive recycling machines or processing centres?
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Really. How is stuff "recycled", specifically? How does it come back, and as what? I want the details.

And who or what "showed" this to the near death experiencer? And who was the near death experiencer in question? And what checking has been done by scientists (or anybody else) to confirm the "recycling" story, so far?
Dennis Tate said:
All that I know is that near death experiencers seem to have a surge in IQ and other intellectual gifts....
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"Seem to"? What does that mean? Has anybody actually measured this "surge in IQ", or is this just a gut feeling you have about what happens?

I want to see the before and after IQ test results. Where are they?
...and I personally have been rather shocked at the insights that they have given all across the spectrum of questions that they addressed.
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But I already know from what you've written that it doesn't take much in the way of real evidence to impress you. You seem to be content with a good story or a gripping yarn.

Some near death experiencers have been shown what looks to be non-linear time........
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How could they tell it was "non linear time"?
What is non-linear time?
Who showed them?
Who was shown?
Why was it shown?
What does it mean for time to be "non-linear"? Does this impact our lives or understanding in some way?
which sounds to me like a basis for a whole new understanding of Multiverse Theory......
actually... perhaps even Applied Multiverse Theory?!
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"sounds to me". Hmmm...
It seem like the consciousness of the near death experiencers.....
while in the out of the body state.... can process a quantity and quality of information on many subjects that they could not have done while in the body......
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Got any examples of such information processing?

The writers at Psychology Today magazine actually got me researching these accounts thirty years ago. Their fascination with these accounts rubbed off on me.
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Have you read anything more recent from psychologists on the subject? More is known about the science of NDEs than was known 30 years ago.

Dennis Tate said:
Beginning at the nineteen mark in this video former Atheist Rabbi Alon Anava describes what it was like to first......
do something of a "Vulcan Mind Meld" with the girl he was with at the party where he overdosed.........

He describes seeing while during his NDE he sees her past, her present and her future.... all at once.
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Sounds like a gripping yarn. So what? Why do you believe what he says?

Then he describes being above the taxi cab and going into an apartment building and being able to know and understand......
the past, the present and the future of all the people in the apartment building..........
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Great.

I suppose that, after his NDE, he was thoroughly tested on his detailed knowledge of the pasts of the people in that building, which would confirm his special knowledge. Where can we find the results of those tests? Was there a peer-reviewed paper written about the case?

It seems to me that if you got a Jewish near death experiencer... a Buddhist near death experiencer.....
an Islamic near death experiencer.. a Christian near death experiencer.... they would have have a surprising amount of overlap in their accounts
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Yes. A lack of oxygen to the brain has been shown to produce very similar experiences in people of different religions.

Dennis Tate said:
Near death experiencers report that humanity will come together......
and begin to agree more and more on what matters... and we will begin to
address the really big problems facing us. The very positive future that they predict is coming within two centuries sounds like a fantasy........
but at least it gives us something that may make our kids or grandchildren feel some more hope for the future that looks pretty scary at this time.
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That's the same kind of trite message that we often see from people who claim to have been abducted by aliens. They report that their alien captors want humanity to be peaceful and loving. Then they sexually probe the captives and pop them back into their beds.

Do you think it is at all possible that these optimistic messages of hope and love could come from inside the people reporting them, rather than from an external force?
 
James R said:
Dennis:


Really. How is stuff "recycled", specifically? How does it come back, and as what? I want the details.

And who or what "showed" this to the near death experiencer? And who was the near death experiencer in question? And what checking has been done by scientists (or anybody else) to confirm the "recycling" story, so far?

"Seem to"? What does that mean? Has anybody actually measured this "surge in IQ", or is this just a gut feeling you have about what happens?

I want to see the before and after IQ test results. Where are they?

But I already know from what you've written that it doesn't take much in the way of real evidence to impress you. You seem to be content with a good story or a gripping yarn.


How could they tell it was "non linear time"?
What is non-linear time?
Who showed them?
Who was shown?
Why was it shown?
What does it mean for time to be "non-linear"? Does this impact our lives or understanding in some way?

"sounds to me". Hmmm...

Got any examples of such information processing?


Have you read anything more recent from psychologists on the subject? More is known about the science of NDEs than was known 30 years ago.


Sounds like a gripping yarn. So what? Why do you believe what he says?


Great.

I suppose that, after his NDE, he was thoroughly tested on his detailed knowledge of the pasts of the people in that building, which would confirm his special knowledge. Where can we find the results of those tests? Was there a peer-reviewed paper written about the case?


Yes. A lack of oxygen to the brain has been shown to produce very similar experiences in people of different religions.


That's the same kind of trite message that we often see from people who claim to have been abducted by aliens. They report that their alien captors want humanity to be peaceful and loving. Then they sexually probe the captives and pop them back into their beds.

Do you think it is at all possible that these optimistic messages of hope and love could come from inside the people reporting them, rather than from an external force?
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As to what and how the energy and matter from a previous universe is recycled........
and..... I presume..... formed into a new and improved universe...........
fits with the evidence that I believe I have ran into since 1990 for "Applied Multiverse Theory"............

Applied by whom you ask?

IF what I perceive as possible evidence for Applied Multiverse Theory is what I think it is.......

then the only type of intelligence or more likely Intelligence or Intelligences, who could apply this would be termed
"God / YHWH / or the word Elohim" of Genesis chapter one verses twenty six and twenty seven.

I believe that we are probably looking at evidence......
for a variation of "Creationism" that does not fit with any Orthodox version of my own religion Christianity or the Messianic Gentile Movement.


I had actually rather hoped to find people on this forum who could use the technical jargon to describe all of this that I personally don't know yet.


Near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley was one of the first major modern near death experiencers to be given visions of a future......
For two decades roughly eighty to ninety of the 117 major predictions that Dannion made came to pass and then.......

... .all of a sudden after the year 2020... there seems to be a genuine
divergence from the predictions made by Dannion BRinkley that I personally think of as nothing less than
"Evidence for Applied Multiverse Theory!"

Or........ am I personally guilty of doing the same thing that members of fraternities tend to do who
go through an extremely annoying or difficult initiation ritual to join a fraternity?

As you know.... a study was done on members of fraternities that indicated that frat members with
difficult initiation rituals seemed to have a HIGHER send of satisfaction with their fraternity so.......

..... am I guilty of having invested so much time in studying these near death experience accounts since 1990 that I want to believe that I have ran into something
of huge implications from all the reading that I did on them?????????


As I am sure you well know there are variations on Quantum Theory that do fit with the idea of multiple futures being possible.....


https://www.near-death.com/science/evidence/some-people-receive-verified-visions-of-the-future.html
Some People Receive Verified Visions of the Future
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Near-death experiencers have received visions of the future, both personal and apocalyptic. Some were told the future is not predetermined because humans have the power to change it by enlightening the awareness of enough people to change current trends. In this respect, an apocalyptic prophecy that doesn't occur is a prophecy that was successful. An apocalyptic prophecy that occurs is a failure. The reason that God does not intervene to prevent them from happening, is because to do so, would interfere directly with human spiritual and physical development. An example of this principle can be found when environmentalists refuse to interfere with nature so that evolution can continue unabated.



An example of the future being changed can be found in the NDE account of Karen Schaeffer. During her NDE, she was shown the future of her children, as it would happen, if she decided to remain in heaven. She was told that if she returned to life, the future she saw would not happen. Her decision was to return and, therefore, the future she saw did not happen.
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