# Near death experiences

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Dennis Tate, Mar 7, 2021.

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## Do you think that Black Holes are involved in recycling of energy and matter?

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1. ### Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldlValued Senior Member

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There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio

sooo was he talking about natural stuff and when he got to

Than are dreamt of in your philosophy

he was taking about dreams (ie supernatural) stuff?

There's the rub

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3. ### sculptorValued Senior Member

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aye
there's the rub

if we deny or disparage what we do not know are we wise

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I been rewiring the kitchen in preparation for getting our first electric dishwasher
it is past my normal bedtime and I am chugging whiskey and reading this

may i dream of pretty women and .......................................................

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5. ### Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldlValued Senior Member

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Very true

Fairly sure some controlled test have been conducted (to lazy to Google) but from memory those claiming out of body... floating near ceiling... etc etc were ask about the $20 banknote on top of the Medical Cabinet None had noticed???? Guess if you're listening to god telling you to go back you might miss it Still mean of god not to mention it Psssst when you get back there is a$20 banknote on top of the Medical Cabinet for you to claim

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7. ### Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldlValued Senior Member

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Ummmmm Please explain how I can deny OR disparage WHAT I AM UNAWARE OF?

Today I will deny (goes into deep thinking mode)
Damn can't think of anything I don't know

Perhaps I will play a game on the computer, which is not installed on the computer

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8. ### sculptorValued Senior Member

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ok
that does seem quite common

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well, the whiskey is kicking in
off to bed
thanx for the .........................................................................................................................................

9. ### James RJust this guy, you know?Staff Member

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What does that even mean?

You wander off into the woods with your gun thinking... what? Oh, I'm just going to go for a walk. Maybe I'll shoot an animal; maybe I won't. But my carrying this rifle into the woods says nothing about my intent to shoot something and eat it.

Is that how hunting without intent works for you?
Well, I'm skeptical, as you know.
You don't think that maybe lots of practice at shooting things just makes you a better shot?

10. ### James RJust this guy, you know?Staff Member

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wegs:

What does the soul do that is different from what brains do? How can you tell that a soul is involved, rather than just a brain?

Some studies have been done to test claims such as "remote viewing". Well controlled studies find no reliable effect. But there are also unfortunately quite a few poorly-controlled studies that have reported positive findings, which confuse the issue.

Yes.

In fact, one's perception of reality, even under normal conditions, is limited and unreliable in lots of ways. People often overestimate the powers of their own perception.

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11. ### RainbowSingularityValued Senior Member

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e.g easy example most people can relate to .... american culture "fake it till you make it"

out of interest,(e.g not i.e) how is that rewarded
it must be rewarded as in kind the "over estimation" in some ways to endorse the continued prevalence.

it is likely that religious indoctrination of society delivers a higher level of need for over estimation
(thinking out loud)

one could easily argue that concept to conform to spectator effect
though there must be some evolutional drive to seek concilitational feelings once inside a group to enable species survival

overt need to assign a leader of any group
suggests heavily genetic evolutionary drives

equally
then Near Death Experiences concurrently assign singular authority to a higher level to endorse a feeling of safety and control

a pre disposition to hallucinate in a positive manner may create better species and breeding survival than a mad panic response to live in a state of extreme fear & paranoia

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12. ### river

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[QUOTE="wegs, post: 3669976, member: 270231 That makes sense, but I believe that we have a ''soul'' so to speak from a spiritual perspective. However, I don't put much stock in the ''outer body experiences,'' and such. It would be interesting to see if ''outer body experiences'' could be tested in controlled settings, maybe that would lend some credibility. For now though, I'd say it's something biological/internal that is happening, and not the work of paranormal ''forces.'' One's perception of reality while under extreme duress can take many turns. The brain is awfully powerful. [/QUOTE]

Observation . In NDE . The soul is observing events , from Above .

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13. ### sculptorValued Senior Member

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of course
(that is an important part of it)

14. ### river

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Referring to what kind of " shot " ? Exactly .

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rifle

16. ### river

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So what's your point ?

What are you saying ?

17. ### sculptorValued Senior Member

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river
in no small part
it is partially about focus
the tighter you focus, the less you see
and, not just with the eyes (perhaps it is form of prejudice?)
freeing the mind from intent, most likely, allows it to more quickly asses the moment
and maybe
just maybe
animals can sense intent?
I have helped wounded animals heal, and they did not attack me---I think they sensed intent

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18. ### river

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Agreed , the Generalist , see the bigger picture .

I think so as well . For a wounded animal to not bite anything that comes close to it is rare .

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19. ### Dennis TateValued Senior Member

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I just grabbed one of Write4U's posts... and took it over here because I think that after the twelve minute mark in this TED lecture
we get set up rather nicely for some obvious questions that hit me as I read more about what near death experiencers report.

http://www.sciforums.com/threads/is...s-in-microtubules.161187/page-95#post-3670167

Why do people who come back from a near death experience report an increase in all of their senses?
They report heightened sight, hearing, smell, and feelings of both pleasure and pain.
Those in the twenty some percent of people who report the out of body experience during a NDE
report even an ability to take in astounding amounts of information, much more so than while they were in the body.

I really like the lecturer's idea that "Consciousness is fundamental!"

Is the consciousness that we human beings experience almost like a "clone" given to us from a much more ancient consciousness that would in fact be the first real form of "life" to develop and to begin to evolve?????

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html

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20. ### Dennis TateValued Senior Member

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I just had this sent to me:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/03/210323131230.htm

'Zombie' genes? Research shows some genes come to life in the brain after death
Post-mortem changes may shed light on important brain studies
Date:
March 23, 2021
Source:
University of Illinois at Chicago
Summary:
Researchers analyzed gene expression in fresh brain tissue and found that gene expression in some cells actually increased after death.

21. ### Dennis TateValued Senior Member

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If it is true that we are living in a Multiverse......
if moments in the past are fully replicated and new time lines spun off
with the addition of more of the Holy Spirit to inspire a higher percentage of us
toward altruism.......

then the existence of many Black Holes could imply the recycling of the energy left over from one time line....
into a possible new time line.....

Mellen Benedict was shown during his near death experiencer that Black Holes were the great recyclers of energy.

I am making the assumption that this idea of Black Holes as being 'great recyclers" could have value.

So... is there any connection between the idea of a Black Hole reprocessing our universe from another universe.. with the reports of seemingly other time lines.... that seem to diverge from a point in our history????

https://www.near-death.com/science/research/future.html#a03
3. The future is not fixed and can change

22. ### wegsMatter and Pixie DustValued Senior Member

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But, I wonder how recycling can take place if nothing ever comes out of a black hole?

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23. ### Michael 345New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldlValued Senior Member

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From memory not quite nothing

Some radiation boils off ?? Hawkin's correct if I'm wrong please

Today is memory testing day. Trying not to Google day

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