Near death experiences

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Do you think that Black Holes are involved in recycling of energy and matter?

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  1. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan, (the new name that I gave former Covering Cherub Halel who is known to Christians as Lucifer), is something of an expert on that question..................
    and in the not too distant future you may find out that the events of the life of Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan could inspire many of us to go after Interdependence...... as opposed to Independence?

    Some evidence from a variety of sources seems to indicate that full fledged "Independence" may not be truly worth all the risks involved.


    Revelations 3:21 "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne."

    From my research since 1990 I am thinking that there is far, far, far, far more positive and wise meaning in the phrase "sit with me in my throne" than I could have dreamed back in 1988.
     
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  3. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    You impress me as somebody who is quite capable of getting in touch with some of the writers over at Psychology Today if you would like to see some of the before vs after IQ or other tests associated with that surge in IQ that I have read about many times?

    I began to study NDE accounts after reading an article about them in the Psychology Today magazine in 1990, I believe that the article was from 1989, and it had a similar tone to this somewhat later article:


    Bright Lights, Big Mystery | Psychology Today
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200910/bright-lights-big-mystery?page=4

    Here is a personal testimony from the author of:


    http://www.thomastwin.com/6 A Thomas background.html


     
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  5. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    In the very first article that I ever read on NDE accounts....
    (if I remember correctly it was from a 1989 article in Psychology Today).....
    they even referred to a particular battle field syndrome where a soldier reported seeing bullets coming at them like baseballs.....
    and they ducked out of the way of the bullet?????

    This fits with the idea of us humans using less than five percent of our mental and physical capabilities that seems to have been
    verified to at least some degree by certain types of research into the paranormal.

    Another phenomena that they referred to in that same article, was how somebody who had zero background in medicine who reported an out of the body experience or near death experience....
    during a time when they flatlined... could accurately describe the precise methods used to revive them......
    bring them back from being flatlined...... Whereas another person who flatlined... who did have a background in medicine...... but who did not report remember an out of the body experience... did a terrible job of guessing the exact methods used to revive them during their operations.

    The research by Dr. Ken Ring goes into some detail on these and similar phenomena if I remember correct. I read some of his book.... but not all of it....
    it was pretty dry.....

    https://www.near-death.com/science/experts/kenneth-ring.html
     
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  7. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    You may find this page to be a good beginning to research this question.....

    https://www.near-death.com/science/research/telepathy.html
     
  8. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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  9. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    Why are you laughing??????????

    That looks pretty good to me!?
     
  10. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    There are quite a few documentaries/stories out there about people who’ve had these “near death experiences,” where they “died,” from a clinical perspective but were medically revived. Some come back to “report” all kinds of things, even glimpses of heaven. Like UFO and ghost sightings, I don’t discount all stories but it depends.

    What do you find fascinating about near death experiences? Just curious as you post about it a lot and I’m somewhat intrigued.
     
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  11. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    5% = Nonsense

    however
    during times of stress, we are capable of much more than normal including perception, speed, and strength...etc...etc...
     
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  12. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    Thank you for forcing me to do another search related to this question!

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-people-only-use-10-percent-of-their-brains/
     
  13. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    Near death experience accounts led me in 1991 into getting myself kicked out of the church that I had been a part of since 1973 so.......
    it is possible that in my own strange way I may feel that I have invested so heavily in my research on this topic that perhaps I am
    exaggerating their value????????

    We human can easily make that type of error but......
    I am a Theist who believes that these accounts may well come to be known as an important part of the fulfillment of a promise in John 16:25.
     
  14. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    If true, that does make you a more intriguing character.
     
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  15. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    as/re telepathy
    long long ago when I was about 11-12 years old and got my first shotgun(a double barrel 12 gauge)
    I would sneak through the woods looking for something to kill
    and the wood was silent
    walking back with the gun unloaded and hanging over my ahoulder, the same wood was full of animal sounds
    how curious, I thought
    soon
    I learned to hunt without intent
    and
    the targets came often
    It seems that prey animals can sense intent
    back then, I mostly got a kick out of killing
    fortunately, I had a close friend whose mother would cook just about anything I killed
    which saved me from being a total asshole
    soon
    I grew tired of having all of that birdshot in my food
    and
    went back to hunting with the .22 rifle
    it was a single shot rifle, so I had to get good at the snapshot
    one fluid motion
    (see the target, keep the focus on the target, and raise the rifle into that line of sight--then squeeze off a round = never miss)
    I could do a headshot on a running rabbit
    I suspect that certain skills are best learned at certain stages of development
    60 years later, and that skill is still with me
    even though
    after the army, i did not touch a weapon for over 25 years
    you need not go to hell if you carry hell with you
     
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  16. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    If there is something way, way off in my thinking.....
    or in my motivations.....
    I would prefer to find out what is wrong so that I can attempt to address the problem as quickly as possible. My wife and kids and grandchildren do like me.... I tend to keep them laughing!
     
  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Dennis:

    It will be easier for everybody if you use [quote][/quote] tags to just quote the part(s) of the post you are replying to, rather than copying the whole thing and highlighting one section in bold type.

    Anyway, enough about style. On to the content...
    I'm seeing no evidence for anything like that from you, so far. As I said elsewhere, I think you're trying to find stuff that you can fit in to what you already believe. You need to think more critically.

    Are these predictions documented somewhere? That is, is there evidence that the predictions were actually made before the events they predicted, rather than just being reported by this Dannion guy after the fact?

    Also, how specific were the predictions? Can you give me a few examples?
    A simpler explanation would just be that Dannion Brinkley was making stuff up, all along. Don't you think?
    That's the impression I'm getting. I also understand that it can be very hard to let go of things that you have invested lots of time in.

    Yes, but all those ideas are speculative. There's no firm evidence.
     
  18. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    In principle, I could do that. But I'm puzzled. You say you've read about this many times. But you can't point me towards anything definitive from your reading that verifies this claim of boosted IQ scores? Are there no actual peer-reviewed studies that verify this effect? If not, does that concern you?

    The problem seems to me to be that there are lots of anecdotes in which people claim that their IQ was boosted, or that they saw somebody else's IQ boosted, but that's all there is. Hasn't anybody bothered to actually test this properly to see if the claims are true?

    I'll also comment on your quote from Bruce MacDonald, PhD. By the way, don't let that "PhD" after a person's name intimidate you. Having a PhD means that you have studied a narrow topic very deeply and have met the academic requirements to be awarded a doctorate. It doesn't mean you're smarter that anybody else, in general, and it doesn't make you an expert in anything outside the narrow field in which you obtained your PhD. There are countless PhDs who go off the rails and try to set themselves up as authorities in areas that are completely outside their fields of expertise. In fact, when I see somebody insisting on putting "PhD" after their name, it often rings alarm bells for me. They are trying to trade on their qualifications rather than on what they actually do and say.

    Not an encouraging start to open with tales of dreams and drugs.
    His pre-existing religious background also isn't an encouraging sign.
    Interesting that he puts his achievements down to the NDE rather than to his own hard work.
    I find it very difficult to believe this part of his story, and there's no verification that what he is saying is true or ever happened. Has he taken an IQ test from anybody else since 1990, or whenever this was? What did it find?

    What I'd like to see is independent evidence of his stunningly high IQ, not just hear him claim to have an IQ that is off the charts.
    Here, he is just repeating what people say about NDEs. There's nothing solid here that we can grip onto.
     
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  19. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    wegs:
    There's no doubt that many people who have NDEs report similar experiences. It turns out that the details of those experiences often depend on the person's pre-existing beliefs. So, Christians tend to report experiencing heaven and possibly being reunited with dead loved ones, whereas atheists just report seeing bright lights and tunnels and so on.

    There is no doubt that people have these experiences. The question is where they come from. Believers often take them as evidence of God or heaven or whatever, but there's no actual evidence for that. An alternative explanation is that these experiences are just something the brain does when it is starved of oxygen. In other words, there's nothing that suggests that there is anything external about these experiences. They appear to be self-generated by the person having the experience. People don't "go" anywhere when they have a NDE.

    A big part of the problem is that lots of people (maybe most) believe in a dualistic picture of what a human being is. They believe that the person is a disembodied "soul" that can exist independently of the body. There's simply no evidence that describes a true state of affairs. Even if there is a "soul" there is zero actual evidence that it can exist separately from the body.
     
  20. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    More mystical thinking.

    Have any other possible explanations occurred to you?
     
  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    As part of what ever he does perhaps put all students though a Near Death Experience

    History was made today when a lecturer had 120 out of 120 of his students all record, through numerous versions, IQs all over 200

    He has branched out to teach other lectures his method of almost killing students to increase their IQ

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  22. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    no
    many years
    hunting without intent
    and
    I put a lot of meat on the table and in the freezer

    it may just be mystical thinking
    or it may not
    "There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, / Than are dreamt of in your philosophy"

    the trick is in being ready to take the shot when it presents itself
    don't anticipate it
    wait for it
    let it happen
    then, when it does,
    act
     
  23. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    That makes sense, but I believe that we have a ''soul'' so to speak from a spiritual perspective. However, I don't put much stock in the ''outer body experiences,'' and such. It would be interesting to see if ''outer body experiences'' could be tested in controlled settings, maybe that would lend some credibility. For now though, I'd say it's something biological/internal that is happening, and not the work of paranormal ''forces.'' One's perception of reality while under extreme duress can take many turns. The brain is awfully powerful.
     

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