It's very disturbing.
National Security Adviser Michael Flynn Resigns amid Russian Controversy
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It's very disturbing.
What do you think he was going to surrender to Russia of a population of 148 m illion where our population is 330 million.
I think we should not be so paranoid.
We are the problem to the world , we want to stick our way of life to the rest of the world. Let different culture be.
Not surrender to them. Just bend over for them. Russia wants to invade Turkey? Well, who is the US to stand in their way? Certainly not Trump!
Yesterday:
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White House Press Secretary Says Trump Fired Flynn As National Security Adviser
NPR
February 14, 20171:42 PM ET
White House press secretary Sean Spicer said Tuesday that President Trump asked for Michael Flynn's resignation on Monday night, citing an "evolving and eroding level of trust" with his national security adviser.
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Today from Trump:
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Michael Flynn, General Flynn is a wonderful man. I think he's been treated very, very unfairly by the media, uh, as I call it the "fake media" in many cases and, uh, I think it's really a sad thing that he was treated so badly. I think in addition to that, from intelligence, papers are being leaked, things are being leaked. It's a criminal action, criminal act.
And it's been going on for a long time, before me, but now it's really going on and people are trying to cover up for a terrible loss that the Democrats had under Hillary Clinton. I think it's very very unfair what's happened to General Flynn, the way he was treated and the documents and the papers that were ILLEGALLY—I stress that—ILLEGALLY leaked. Very unfair.
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Yeah. Trump should find out who fired Flynn ILLEGALLY and fire HIM! That would be bigly fair.
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White House Press Secretary Says Trump Fired Flynn As National Security Adviser
NPR
February 14, 20171:42 PM ET
White House press secretary Sean Spicer said Tuesday that President Trump asked for Michael Flynn's resignation on Monday night, citing an "evolving and eroding level of trust" with his national security adviser.
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Today from Trump:
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Michael Flynn, General Flynn is a wonderful man. I think he's been treated very, very unfairly by the media, uh, as I call it the "fake media" in many cases and, uh, I think it's really a sad thing that he was treated so badly. I think in addition to that, from intelligence, papers are being leaked, things are being leaked. It's a criminal action, criminal act.
And it's been going on for a long time, before me, but now it's really going on and people are trying to cover up for a terrible loss that the Democrats had under Hillary Clinton. I think it's very very unfair what's happened to General Flynn, the way he was treated and the documents and the papers that were ILLEGALLY—I stress that—ILLEGALLY leaked. Very unfair.
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Yeah. Trump should find out who fired Flynn ILLEGALLY and fire HIM! That would be bigly fair.
douwd20
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Tell that to the Scandinavians and see what they say. Or Georgia or Crimea.
Yes you are a problem to the world, but you are not we. You want to extend Russian dictatorship beyond Russia's borders. That's why you have invaded and annexed the lands of your neighbors. That's why you are fomenting violence in the lands of your neighbors.
You need to be honest comrade, and more specifically you need to be honest about who you are. You are one of Putin's many trolls.
Not wanting to repeat the mistakes which led to two world wars and the death of tens of millions of people isn't paranoia comrade. It's just good sense and knowledge of history. It's that old adage about those who don't remember the past are doomed to repeat it. Fascism isn't exactly a good way to go. The last time we went down this road it resulted in the deaths of 80 million people of which 27 million were from your beloved Mother Russia. Think about that comrade.
Trump needs to stand up to Russia in order to prevent a very bloody war with another fascist state. He needs to maintain the sanctions on Russia. Those sanctions are the only things keeping your beloved Mother Russia from menacing its neighbors.
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I really doubt Russia wants get involved with more muslims , they have enough with Chechens, Georgian , Azerbaijani and the one in Siberia I believe there is an inherited dislike of Russian and Muslims. Russia have enough land and natural resources, Out through history Russia is defending itself from invaders, in the early time from the Tartars, then from the west through religion of Roman Catholics , than Napoleon , House of Habsburg, German, and now NATO.
Do you honestly think NATO is "invading" Russia?
Seriously?
Because, lets be frank... if we wanted to take Russia, it'd have been done by now. I believe this was already explained, but it would have been easy to do, say, after the collapse of the USSR...
Comrade when has NATO ever threatened to invade Russia? Can you say never? People don't like Russia because it has repeated threatened its neighbors. It has illegally invaded, occupied, and annexed the lands of its neighbors. That's why people don't like Russians.
If Russia has enough land as you have asserted, then why have they repeatedly invaded, occupied, and annexed the lands of its neighbors?
Your assertions just fly in the face of reality comrade.
PS: This persistent Russian "belief"/excuse that everyone wants to invade Mother Russia is ridiculous. No one needs or wants to support another basket case.
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They have shown no qualms in the pst.
And apparently, all those former USSR states that were somehow invaded by evil, independent people! It won't be long before Putin decides that Estonia or Latvia is in the same boat; Russian holdings that inexplicably got their own people, governments and names.
Question for you - if the US invaded Mexico would you jump to their defense as quickly?
Invasion.: First. Remember what was general Patton's position even the WW2 have not been finished. Why did Russia invade the Baltic States . Why did Russia and Germany divided Poland, why did Russia invade, Romania , Hungary Czechoslovakia, Austria
Russia invaded invade part of Finland.
You answer me this questions , then we can continue.
Important : I do not want to live in Russia
In other words, you acknowledge that Russia is the aggressor...
I don't understand what you mean " They have shown no qualms in the pst."
I really don't believe he will not invade the Baltic State . I believe Russia want a buffer zone , and in the present situation NATO put its weapons at the door at Russia.
To whose defence ? I live in the USA probably longer then you are alive. My family is here, my son served his country the USA .
What I am against . You people raising your sabers and pushing closer to a confrontation. Most of you have not sean destruction so you dont understand the danger of war.
Please stay out you are an individual with twisted mind, you don't know history, go on play your star war.
Just that. In the past they have invaded other countries on the flimsiest of pretexts. It is wise to judge people (and countries) on what they have done, not what they say.
"You people?" I've been in the USA my entire life; my parents as well. Do you mean "US citizens" when you say "you people?"
Born here , so are my sons = you people
Flimsy pretext; About all the i mentioned during the ww2 were AXIS allides Sweden was the non participant
So your sons are who you referring to? In that case, why not talk to them about them "raising their sabers and pushing closer to a confrontation?"
Just thoughts:
One has to consider the incredibly traumatic recent history of the Russian peoples when attempting to understand their fear or invasion, border security and generally issues regarding self esteem etc..
It is worth not underestimating the suffering endured by a very proud people at the hands of foreign actors (ww2) The atrocities committed by the Nazi's against the Russians were a lot worse than is often recounted in Western media.
The world has had to live with an incredibly dynamic nation (Russia) that is suffering a severe form of collective PSD (post traumatic stress disorder) with outcomes like the cold war, and border issues seemingly constant.
The trauma of a change or a transition from a Monarchy to a democracy is yet to be completed...
The problem with these sorts of tragedies is that even the victim doesn't understand what motivates them to behave in challenging ways.
So often forget or underestimate the outcomes of these sorts of wars...and how they effect generations of people until living memory passes on to the grave and the history in books and archives is all we have left.
One has to consider the incredibly traumatic recent history of the Russian peoples when attempting to understand their fear or invasion, border security and generally issues regarding self esteem etc..
It is worth not underestimating the suffering endured by a very proud people at the hands of foreign actors (ww2) The atrocities committed by the Nazi's against the Russians were a lot worse than is often recounted in Western media.
The world has had to live with an incredibly dynamic nation (Russia) that is suffering a severe form of collective PSD (post traumatic stress disorder) with outcomes like the cold war, and border issues seemingly constant.
The trauma of a change or a transition from a Monarchy to a democracy is yet to be completed...
They don't understand how millions of fellow citizens can end up butchered, and what that means to the survivors when it comes to prevention and deterrence.
The problem with these sorts of tragedies is that even the victim doesn't understand what motivates them to behave in challenging ways.
So often forget or underestimate the outcomes of these sorts of wars...and how they effect generations of people until living memory passes on to the grave and the history in books and archives is all we have left.
General Patton was relieved of command for his "position", and General Patton died years before NATO was created. He didn't speak for the US or any other nation.
We are talking about your beloved Mother Russia, remember? Why did Russia invade its neighbors? You answer that question comrade, but that's not the issue. We are talking about your assertion other countries want to invade your beloved Mother Russia; remember? Russia has a history of menacing its neighbors. And frankly, I don't care where you want to live.
You are the one claiming NATO are the aggressors when it is Russian fighters buzzing our ships, and then China scooping up one of our drones in international waters... The futz is strong with you comrade...
PS - to your request, hell no. I intend to continue to refute your alternative facts at every turn.