Heheh
Jon Stewart missed that memo
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=171492&title=indecision-5768
Jon Stewart missed that memo
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=171492&title=indecision-5768
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One cannot comprehend the American insistence on supporting a state based on ethnocracy other than to some kind of fanatical compulsion.
So then why are you such good friends with Saudi Arabia and all those other oil states? You think they allow Jews, Christians and Buddhists to become citizens, even if they were born on Saudi soil?
I see no reason to assure any occupiers of their safety, thats like saying the Allies should have reassured Hitler when he was in France. Complete nonsense.
What we need is for right thinking people to recognise, as they did for France, that occupation by an Aryan Jewish group who believes in a Jewish State with right of return for Jews only while murdering natives who are not Jewish and are essentially defenceless, is oppressive and undemocratic and take action accordingly.
One does not negotiate with oppressors, one is not concerned with how safe Mugabe feels while he is killing people just as one is not concerned with people who consider such actions as defensive:
This is not defense, this is genocide. And while you may feel the need to "reassure" such people of their safety, I don't.
Yeah, a Palestinian blowing himself up is comparable to an Israeli sniper shooting children in the head.
Thats very misleading.It's in James Petras's book, The Power of Israel in the US. Petras expands on JJ Goldberg's statistics for the same issue in the 1990s.
Of course they're comparable! You're saying one's better than the other? Israeli children have no value, even if they're just out shopping instead of picking up unused rockets?
If you think that the Palestinian terror groups are somehow just and moral in their cause, and that they're taking every measure to keep Palestinian civilians away from the fighting, think again:
If the arabs hadn't attacked in 1967, Israel wouldn't be occupying those territories. What assurances are you going to give to Israel that if they leave these territories, they won't be attacked all over again?
How many Palestinian civilians are killed in areas that aren't being used as battle zones by Palestinian militants? Seems like that's almost never how it happens.
And you ignore all the shootings and violence from the other side? You're not prepared to guarantee Israel's security even if it would give the Palestinians what they need for a state? Even though Israel has already been attacked by massive armies 3 times, on top of countless smaller arab provocations? How reasonable and civil of you.
The muslim Palestinian population is growing practically twice as fast as the jewish population, all wars, famine and killings aside. Doesn't sound like a very successful or dedicated effort if genocide's the goal here.
A man blowing HIMSELF up is not comparable to a sniper shooting children in the head.
If the Israelis had not demanded a state on Arab land, the Arabs would not have attacked.
“How many Palestinian civilians are killed in areas that aren't being used as battle zones by Palestinian militants? Seems like that's almost never how it happens.”
Yeah, there is social, economic, political unstiability since 60 years. People are forced to make hard choices, even collaborate with the occupation for survival, there is bound to be internal friction and violence. Its not unusual, it happened to Indians, Americans, Germans, French, anyone who has ever faced occupation knows that this happens.
Like I said, I never cared about Hitlers insecurities or Mugabe's or Idi Amins either. I do not see any point in safeguarding the interests of oppressors
Ah yes, counting very closely, are we? The demographic threat posed by natives in a land inhabited by 2000 year old right holders appears to prey very much on their mind. Still killing people because their grandfather did not move out when the Romans said "go" seems to be an extreme response.
Do you think it makes any difference to the victims?
In 1967 Israel was already an internationally recognized country occupying noone, there was no need to attack. And as for demanding a state on Arab land, that wasn't how it went down either. The jews purchased a great deal of land from the Turks and the Arabs who owned it, even when these owners hadn't been around for decades. UN law actually says a nation's sovereignty over a piece of land can be challenged if they're not using the land. That's why we Canadians have to send a few boats and skidoo teams travelling around the north every few years, to prove that we're "using it". But the land the jews had in 1947 was land they had actually purchased and rehabilitated.
The UN offered the 1947 partition plan, the jews accepted and the arabs rejected it. Then the UN tried more offers, and more, each time the jews accepted and the arabs rejected, until their final offer was a tiny, scattered jewish state on the lands purchased by jews. Again, the jews accepted and the arabs rejected. Then the arab armies attacked. That's why the UN had no trouble recognizing the 1948 borders, because Israel played by the rules and won a war that had been forced upon them.
If arabs sell land to people who they know intend to rehabilitate and live on that land, it's not arab land anymore, especially when the country as a whole doesn't even have a democratic authority to forbid such sales. The only unfair thing with the whole deal was that the British deliberately limited jewish immigration to the lands they had purchased, even at the height of the holocaust, while arabs from Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and beyond immigrated into the country wholesale, making up a great deal of the displaced Palestinian population we know of today.
Wait, so you're admitting that the Palestinian terror groups are deliberately fighting in civilian areas, so that Palestinian civilians can be killed and serve as propaganda against Israel? Use of human shields is considered a serious war crime, and much of the world is starting to see through these shenanigans. So what purpose does it serve? If they know they're too weak to fight Israel, and that fighting from civilian areas is just going to add to the suffering, why do it? Why not play the truly innocent victim and stop resorting to such nonsense, since it seems they rely on the international community for survival anyhow.
And you fail to give any evidence that Israel is at all comparable to any of those people. Israel gets attacked, then Israel occupies the attacker. It's a recurring theme. Who attacked Hitler before he took on Poland?
However, if you want to compare the Palestinian extremists' cause to Hitler's, you might have a much easier time. Witness:
You mean like the 1million+ voting, governing, tax paying arab citizens living in Israel today? Israel doesn't keep count- how could they? I can see it now...
It's the UN that keeps count, and they need to because the Palestinian situation is a humanitarian crisis. The question is, who's doing the most to perpetuate this crisis? Are the Palestinians doing everything they possibly can to alleviate their own suffering? Clearly, by your own admissions, they are not. As for 2000 year old land claims, that's for the extremists jews to worry about. A pretty large chunk of Israelis don't even believe in God anymore. The Bible was never a concern for the UN in recognizing Israel. What was a concern was that a people who had just survived some of the worst ethnic cleansing in history had accepted the bare reasonable minimum they could be offered for an independent state, and they were still attacked.