Why do theists reject evolution?

[paddoboy]

Lol!!! No they're not.
my cousins are, like myself, human beings.
You are simply lying to yourself, to prop up the lie that darwinism is true.
It is one big delusion.

I understand how crushing it must feel for someone as delusional as yourself.

 

[paddoboy]

You are lying.
What "mythical" and/or "nonsensical" about "Intelligent Design"?

I call it psychotically inspired delusional syndrome.

Now Jan, just for a change, hop off your white charger, cease the crusade like preaching, and understand that Darwinian evolution is a fact, and that them beautiful ape like creatures and yourself, have one common ancestor....much much lower on the evolutionary scale then your cousin apes and yourself.
Your delusions and blinkered world outlook, will not change that fact.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

I understand how crushing it must feel for someone as delusional as yourself.

Jan is always up for a good crushing.
Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

It is a lie.
Dogs do not turn into whales.
Has that lie been removed from peer review?
You act as though darwinism is true. Another lie.
You remind me of the Black Lives Matter, racist, lying organisation.
They simply want to make the world in their image.
Like them, you are liars.

Hi there Jan I have been worried about you I hope things are now better for you.

This is rather blatant trolling but good on you ...you like to troll we like to bite.

I thank you for you causing me to focus my attention on whales and their evolution as it is fascinating...I had no idea so much material was available on the subject and that some folk have devoted their lives to the subject.


Although your little cartoon was helpful to gain an understanding how little changes over time saw the extrodinary evolution from a dog, probably a fox terrier as they just have a whale like quality about them, to eventually a whale ...there is just so much more stuff on YouTube..

I have spent days looking into this aspect of evolution.

Did you know that there is a whale story in the bible...now you talk about things that are beyond belief..well you will love this whale story...it seems this guy fell overboard and was swallowed by a whale that spat him out three days later still alive...why that story is in there I have no idea as I can't see a moral to the story...maybe there is lots of nonsense in the bible so folk can decide what is good stuff and what is nonsense...did you know all the page numbers in the bible are correct so there is at least one thing correct on every page.

How have you and god been getting on? Has he confided in you why he sent this virus thing..too much sin I expect..he probably has a curve to smooth out so he can spread sinner admission to hell out a bit...but you can bet we will get many more proofs of miracles as saved folk come forward to tell how god saved them from the virus.

And don't you worry about those nasty whale stories I bet god woke up one morning with a big mud slide in his driveway and thought beauty I will make that whale that I have in mind to swallow a guy in a short story I am going to write.
It must have been a big mud slide when you think of it...and by mud I mean clay.


Anyways I do hope the difficulties that I suspect you are experiencing will pass.

Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Jan here is a most interesting video on whale evolution.

And another which I have not watched but I highly recommend it.

Actually I can't find all the ones I wanted to put up for you Jan.

I figure the more credible videos I put up the sillier you will sound when you reject the whale story...the doggy to whale story not the whale eats man and spits him out three days later story...you know how they say the bible is the word of God? You could think he must have been having a bad day when he inspired that yarn about the whale.
Alex

 

[Michael 345]

Alex

I didn't know Jonah was only 6 cm tall

Or was he about 6 cm across the shoulders

Amazing what you can learn from the bible

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

I didn't know Jonah was only 6 cm

No I was talking about Jesus..you are right however but really Jonah was just a copy cat act..or it could be the other way around or didn't even happen and it is important to have faith that whatever is the most righteous is the true version, except if some other denomination is pushing that version, .it seems he, Jesus, had been out for a stroll on the water, as he liked to do, without sandles which was a sin for a start, but he slipped due to wet feet climbing back on board and the whale got him, the whales grandfather was a retriever which explains a great deal, and the same one that got Johnah some time before, or after, reports from those times can be horribly wrong, but the whale finally spat Jesus out because he was just too hard to swallow, and don't forget, the three days time reference was popular back then,,, it seems as it referred to a period where folk had given you up for dead but actually you were not...but if you could claim a three day death experience folk would think you were somehow related to the Sun, given its behaviour mid winter, and as such you were treated a sort of human god..now this immediately entitled you to hang around unemployed with twelve followers and tell woppers that you had a house on the other side of death and all who believed your whoppers could come live with you when they died, no one picked up on when you are dead you are dead as a matter of interest, but if you did not make it to flat mate status you would suffer eternal burning and torture, with all speeches ending in a reminder that you were well loved and free to do whatever your human god wanted.
Some say it's mostly BS but no..it's all BS.
I suppose the thing to note is that creationists are most certain the Jonah whale story is true, and have no difficulty believing he was inside a whale for three days, spat out undigested and was never heard from again..yet ask them to believe the research of well educated scientists reviewing solid hold in your hand evidence and they will go for the unknown author from times where he would not have known where the Sun went at night...I could be wrong but maybe someone who can at least read and write and does know where the Sun goes at night just may be the person to believe.
And some say one should discuss these matters with the goal of being intellectual..how the f..k can you treat any of this seriously is all I can contribute if intellectual rigor is demanded.

I suppose you could insist that the bible was in effect written by God but that will never, given the endless errors in the bible, give one the impression that this god is someone you could trust let alone worship...at least folk should recognise that if god wrote the bible he started it in Sumaria as that is where you get your garden of Eden, Adam and the great flood story ...which I mention in support of the general proposition that gods are a human invention traceable to earlier times and then to earlier times again.


I watched a video on how folk in times past believed in demons which gives one insite on how the horrors of the inquition were accepted by even intelligent folk of the time...you see they really believed demons were real, which is hard for us to understand but taking that realisation on board one wonders how folk can still support superstition when it has been demonstrated to be very very wrong....and what is most scarey 80% of the world are still superstitious and brain dead...actually it is a real pity that we could not experience a judgement day by this creator, I mean if they piss me off they would have to piss him off..like imagine, you create these humans, go off to the other side of the universe on business and come back and go..what the f..k have these little bastard done to the place where is my lightning broom...really place yourself in that position...just think of all the extinct species you would have to make again...

Alex

 

[Michael 345]

because he was just too hard to swallow

Ooooh sneaky clever

You do also understand the whale is another case against Intelligent Design

It has a throat only big enough to swallow a grapefruit

Surely ID'ers know grapefruit don't swim in the sea

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

It has a throat only big enough to swallow a

I had no idea that whales eat grape fruit.
Alex

 

[Michael 345]

I had no idea that whales eat grape fruit.
Alex

Can't really argue with Science

But to be honest a grapefruit is the biggest thing a blue whale can swallow

http://en.vidunenahawula.com/sms/wh...e-biggest-thing-a-blue-whale-can-swallow-bec/

Take that ID'ers

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

I have been watching creationists on YouTube...poor things.

They argue the toss on evolution and big bang and creation of life all because it goes again their god story ...seems to me they could save themselves a lot of time arguing by just proving god exists...
They seize upon some point they think they can bring down science which is always trivial and yet entertain really big holes that an elephant would drop through in their good book as if it was not there..and we are talk8ng about multiple holes on some pages the only reliable thing is the page number... where is Seti? I want his view on whales eating grape fruit.
I have been looking at biology stuff in preparation to getting a microscope and watched some really interesting stuff on proton imbalance in a cell and how the flow in effect turns a little ..like windmill or water wheel and how the electron jumps from here to there ends to there and finally to a place where it gets involved in building a water molecule...I can't wait to tell the check out girl about it.
Anyways all these god bothers we need to cut them off..don't quote the bible to me please, don't bring to bear your profound logic, don't tell me about your miracles just show me where god has spoken to a human such that it is half credible and not secondhand hearsay...something that is not just a god driven interpretation of the world...and miracles..just one please that evidences the claims made about it..you know nail down the god intervention aspect just saying how else could this happen unless for god will not cut it....
And if they want to have God creating life then explain the mass extinctions and I expect more than a flood story borrowed from an earlier religion.
Do they even know where their god came from, where the stories came from.
And what is so hard about working out that Christianity is a Roman invention using the astrology stereo type common in those times and before...Then they say but dieing and being resurrected is a big thing..yes so how does that place the hundreds of dead folk who also left their grave at that time..brain dead...how can you be agnostic about these things?
Alex

 

[Michael 345]

Alex

Being serious for a moment

If evolution does not occur where has COVID-19 been hiding for the few thousand years we have been tramping around Earth?

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

The new testament should not be attracted to the 0ld Testament.
These Christians wave the bible about and in the next breath say the Old Testament is irrelevant..well don't attrach your astrology book to it ..bugger off.
Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Being serious for a moment

If evolution does not occur where has COVID-19 been hiding for the few thousand years we have been tramping around Earth?

It has always been there..it was made to kill sinners..the only reason it is out there now is because god is punishing the sinners in the world because people are not following his ways. How is that for serious...now think about it just for a moment ...we think I am joking..well I am but do you not think we could not go on the net and find many folk saying and believing all I just said..?
I don't even have to look.
Honestly that makes more sense than evolution don't you think?

Alex

 

[Michael 345]

It has always been there..it was made to kill sinners..the only reason it is out there now is because god is punishing the sinners in the world because people are not following his ways. How is that for serious...now think about it just for a moment ...we think I am joking..well I am but do you not think we could not go on the net and find many folk saying and believing all I just said..?
I don't even have to look.
Honestly that makes more sense than evolution don't you think?

Alex

I hope you are joking

Kidding I know you are. Have you asked Jan about the role COVID-19 is playing I gods master plan?

I'm going on YouTube. Hope to find a whale feeding on a shoal of grapefruit

 

[James R]

It is a lie.

It is clear that you have an irrational fear of evolution, Jan. As I've said to you before, my hypothesis is that the reason you have that fear is that you have been indoctrinated into it in your religion. Obviously that part of your indoctrination had a powerful effect on you, to the extent where you're unable to discuss the topic rationally, or to even consider it without being dishonest or constructing comforting straw-man versions of it for your own edification.

Dogs do not turn into whales.

Point 1, of course, is that nobody says they do. You know this.
Point 2, of course, is that dogs and whales share a common ancestor. You also know this.

You remind me of the Black Lives Matter, racist, lying organisation.

Black lives don't matter?

Wow! You've really flipped your lid lately, Jan. So disappointing. Did the fundies get at you? Is it substance abuse? Fear of (the evolved) coronavirus? Or did you accidentally learn too much science and now you're afraid of losing your religious belief?

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Have you asked Jan

I sense that Jan has had some terrible event to cope with in life that has him less than his usual self and so I won't be giving him a hard time... he needs time but he will be different I suspect when he gets it all back together. But I can tell just from the little he wrote that things are different I sense a loss of some kind and a big change in direction. Of course we will never know but it is amazing when you are an atheist how you can just see things and feel what is going on...he won't say anything of course and probably try and deny it...which of course will be further confirmation that I am right.
My prediction is Jan will be away for some time yet.
Alex

 

[foghorn]

But I can tell just from the little he wrote that things are different I sense a loss of some kind and a big change in direction. Of course we will never know but it is amazing when you are an atheist how you can just see things and feel what is going on...he won't say anything of course and probably try and deny it.

Is Jan an American? It might be the fear of losing Donald?

 

[foghorn]

I had no idea that whales eat grape fruit.
Alex

Sometimes coconuts use the sea to disperse, so to speak. Perhaps whales eat small coconuts too?

 

[Michael 345]

Sometimes coconuts use the sea to disperse, so to speak. Perhaps whales eat small coconuts too?

Coconuts are hidey holes for squids