UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

[TheVat]

Everybody except you can see the object is far away in the distance and not merely 50 ft. away. It is traveling far too fast to be that close. And all this has been calculated by people alot smarter than you. Learn some humility.

My partner has training in photo analysis. Her impression was that the motion blurring is consistent with a much closer object. As to your "wing flappage" quarrel, an extended stretch without such is consistent with a falcon. Motion blurred and close by, it would yield exactly the effect seen. Learn some humility.

 

[DaveC426913]

MR and the like are opportunities to explain why they are wrong, lest they be thought of as right.

Indeed. Think of a "plant" in the audience - a technique commonly used by speakers. They get someone to ask questions so the speaker can say "Great question good sir. Here's why that's wrong..."

MR serves the purpose of asking the naive questions which gives us the chance to address them for readers. (It also gives me content for my book. )

It's just that MR doesn't have the courtesy to say "Ah. Good point I hadn't thought of that."

 

[(Q)]

Everyone can see it is coming from the valley. We can clearly see it out here in the distance. Where else would it be coming from at that speed? Give it up Dave. You have come up with nothing once again. Just like the speeding beach balloon. You really do have a poor sense of moving objects don't you? Maybe you should take up a new hobby involving still objects like stamps.

Racing drones can reach speeds up to 300+ mph and that looked just like a drone moving past the camera.

 

[DaveC426913]

As to your "wing flappage" quarrel, an extended stretch without such is consistent with a falcon.

I have been looking for videos of birds flying effectively ballistically - many birds do this at least for short periods - but haven't found anything yet.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of the bird hypothesis. It's a pretty long stretch for a bird to do this, and it ought to be following a noticeable parabolic arc. I'd like to see a little more analysis that increases its plausibility.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Racing drones can reach speeds up to 300+ mph and that looked just like a drone moving past the camera.

Well, you said it was a drone.

 

[TheVat]

I have been looking for videos of birds flying effectively ballistically - many birds do this at least for short periods - but haven't found anything yet.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of the bird hypothesis. It's a pretty long stretch for a bird to do this, and it ought to be following a noticeable parabolic arc. I'd like to see a little more analysis that increases its plausibility.

I've hiked a fair amount in the West and seen peregrines. What you see sometimes is a steep dive that flattens out into a nearly linear horizontal trajectory with the bird's "control surfaces" stable or "trimmed." They can go a long ways like this. The descent part that preceded can be up to 300 km/hr, so they still have a lot of speed after leveling out (especially if they missed the starling or whatever prey they were aiming at in their dive). If there is a video that shows this I will mos def link it for y'all.

 

[DaveC426913]

I've hiked a fair amount in the West and seen peregrines. What you see sometimes is a steep dive that flattens out into a nearly linear horizontal trajectory with the bird's "control surfaces" stable or "trimmed." They can go a long ways like this. The descent part that preceded can be up to 300 km/hr, so they still have a lot of speed after leveling out (especially if they missed the starling or whatever prey they were aiming at in their dive). If there is a video that shows this I will mos def link it for y'all.

Huh. Did not know that.

 

[Magical Realist]

My partner has training in photo analysis. Her impression was that the motion blurring is consistent with a much closer object. As to your "wing flappage" quarrel, an extended stretch without such is consistent with a falcon. Motion blurred and close by, it would yield exactly the effect seen. Learn some humility.

Except that we can see the uap from a long distance away and it is shaped like a disc that is banking vertically and then levelling out horizontally as a flat shape. This looks nothing like a bird despite the opinion of your "expert" friend. And there's no way a falcon could ever be flying horizontally at such a speed and distance without flapping its wings. It's a bird not a missile. Also birds don't fly at 3600 mph. The uap is simply flying way to fast to be any kind of animal or drone. And the blurring is accounted for by its tremendous speed not closeness.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You have no reliable speed reading on any of this shit. So stop making claims you can't back up. Or better, stop making stupid claims.

 

[Magical Realist]

Another account of an orange ball of light uap occurring in CA in 1989. Actually two of them. These are seen often many times. The account seems totally credible and unfabricated.

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[(Q)]

Another account of an orange ball of light uap. Actually two of them. These are seen often many times. The account seems totally credible and unfabricated.

Lunatic. You. Be.

 

[DaveC426913]

Except that we can see the uap from a long distance away

How far away? 50 yards? Your continued lack of repsones is damning.

And there's no way a falcon could ever be flying horizontally at such a speed and distance without flapping its wings.

You've "scientifically calculated" this have you?

This, from the same guy that doesn't know bugs are animals. You'll forgive us if we take your "scientific analysis" of animals with a grain of salt.

Also birds don't fly at 3600 mph.

This, from the same guy who doesn't know how fast 10x the speed of sound is. You'll forgive us if we take your "scientific analysis" of air speeds with a grain of salt.

Circular reasoning. No reason to think it's doing any where near 3600mph, so no reason it's couldn't be a bird.

The uap is simply flying way to fast to be any kind of animal or drone.

You have avoided describing how you know how fast it's going about 10 times now.

And the blurring is accounted for by its tremendous speed not closeness.

And is is based on ... what?

This, from the same guy who doesn't know how the zoom feature on a video camera affects the image. You'll forgive us if we take your "scientific analysis" of imaging effects with a grain of salt.


Do some basic math for a change.
Show how big it would have to be to cross the field of view at 3600mph.
Now show how a bird at, say, 1/20 the distance couldn't be doing 1/20 the speed.
Or a bug at, say, 1/50 the distance couldn't be doing 1/50th the speed.


But you can't, can you? You don't have the slightest idea how to go about doing this.

 

[(Q)]

The uap is simply flying way to fast to be any kind of animal or drone. And the blurring is accounted for by its tremendous speed not closeness.

You've got all the answers don't ya. Just right off anything that doesn't spell A.L.I.E.N. What a moron.

 

[DaveC426913]

It's a bird not a missile.

Magical Realist, admitting it's a bird.

Can we move on now?

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

UFOnuts are often suffering from a lack of validity in their life. This leads them to promote barely marginal claims in the hopes it will make them seem "edgy".

 

[Magical Realist]

LOL...Drama Dave always making it personal. Have you found that supersonic bird footage yet?

 

[DaveC426913]

The habit of many birds to fly with folded wings is well-documented. It is called "bounding". Some birds, such as cardinals retract their wings fully, turning into a torpedo, for short periods.

This isn't for fast, precision flying though. For that you need lift and control.


Here is a falcon withdrawing its wings for fast but controlled flight. Plenty of lift, so it can follow a straight path, not a parabolic, ballistic path, like the cardinal.

As can be seen, it is the not the spread wingspan we commonly think of when we imagine birds. It's no broader than it is long. If it were blurred due to fast movement one might almost imagine it as ... disc-like.



Here is a falcon, looking flattened and disc-like.

 

[Magical Realist]

Here's some background and more analysis performed by the videographer of the Beaver Utah uap video. Explains how they determined the distance and the speed. The uap is obscured by the mountain a few times, confirming an initial distance of 3.5 miles that is traveled in one second. Also worthy of note is that the uap curves in the distance changing direction at high speed.

So now that you know uaps are real, how will it affect your life?

 

[Magical Realist]

Here is a falcon, looking flattened and disc-like.

Wow.. looks exactly like the white disc-shaped uap in the video! lol

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

LOL...Drama Dave always making it personal. Have you found that supersonic bird footage yet?

Have you found anything on YOUR PLANET that works like you claim?