UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

[C C]

Interesting find on the internet. Apparently there was another uap sighting over the Red Rocks concert venue back in January of 2015. The object was also round and had many colored lights. The movements it made were described as beyond what any conventional craft could perform. " Like a computer mouse." There were 5 witnesses, at least one an ex-military member, and a few photos taken as well as video. The size was estimated to be about the size of a P3 Orion aircraft, see below.

UFO videotaped over Red Rocks Amphitheater concert – Openminds.tv

openminds.tv

“The first thing I thought was, maybe it’s a drone – but this could not be the case in my opinion. I am no drone expert; however, this craft seemed to be much larger, and much faster than any drone that I have observed. I have a friend that flies drones, and after observing my limited footage, my friend agreed, that it seemed to be faster than any drone he knows of. I observed a fixed-wing aircraft in the skies immediately following the event. I could not be certain what type it was, or what its purpose was, given how far away it was. I knew that it was a plane because it had a steady green light on one wing, a steady red on the other, and a flashing red light on the nose.”

Here's the video of that same uap. Not very impressive:

And here's another possible uap spotted at Red Rocks during a Black Keys concert in 2022. It is distant, is descending, and flashes from red to green.

• "I observed a fixed-wing aircraft in the skies immediately following the event. I could not be certain what type it was, or what its purpose was, given how far away it was. I knew that it was a plane because it had a steady green light on one wing, a steady red on the other, and a flashing red light on the nose.”

Yeah, though it was presumedly years later than the one the person above is referencing, we observe things akin to the green/red blinking object in the second video all the time. Sometimes at night you can hear the engines, but often not.

If I had been there at the concert and saw the (bare) roundish light in the first video (without the close-up), I'd probably have thought it a helicopter taking overhead footage of the concert. In contrast to the ones here that race by day and night to get somewhere else (usually medical emergency transport, but occasionally military or National Guard).
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[DaveC426913]

Huh. i did not l know this bit of trivia:

"Underwood recorded the FLIR video, and coined the description "Tic Tac" to describe the infrared image; Underwood would later explain the terminology was partially inspired by a joke in the 1980 comedy Airplane!."

Pentagon UFO videos - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Anybody know what joke that might be referring to? I have seen the film quite a bit, and I can think of no joke that might be related to Tic-Tacs.

 

[C C]

Huh. i did not l know this bit of trivia:

"Underwood recorded the FLIR video, and coined the description "Tic Tac" to describe the infrared image; Underwood would later explain the terminology was partially inspired by a joke in the 1980 comedy Airplane!."

Pentagon UFO videos - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Anybody know what joke that might be referring to? I have seen the film quite a bit, and I can think of no joke that might be related to Tic-Tacs.

LINK: The man who filmed the Tic Tack UFO speaks on camera for the first time

VIDEO EXCERPT: 'They were like, what would you describe this as?' And my thoughts going through my head where the scene from Airplane! where the reporters are asking that guy Johnny, one of the ground controllers: 'Can you describe this plane?' And he's like: 'Oh, it's a big white shiny plane with wheels. And you know, it looks like a big Tylenol.'

And I knew if I described it as a big Tylenol that that's too much -- not taking it seriously. And anyone who knows me, I don't take a whole lot of things seriously. But I was like, ah, I probably shouldn't say that. It's just it's too on the nose. And so I was like, well, it looks like a big Tic Tac, you know, and it did. Like just kind of this white, oblong, featureless thing.

 

[Magical Realist]

Excellent video CC! Jeremy Corbell again asking all the right questions. Interesting confirmation too of some signal jamming going on from the tic tac uap despite the military report stating otherwise. And that the uap was some sort of secret black ops of our military is decisively ruled out by Underwood. Anyone who has any doubts about the extraordinary nature of the tic tac incident needs to see this video. One of those solid multisensory-detected uap cases that will be referred to for many years to come I'm sure.

 

[DaveC426913]

I find it amusing and revealing that Underwood's own description of the shape of the UAP was inspired by its similarity to ... an airplane.

Film clip that inspired him: "It's a big pretty white plane ... it looks like a big Tylenol."

Underwood: "And I knew if I described it as a big Tylenol ... it's a little too on-the-nose.", "I don't take things too seriously ... so I said it looks like a big Tic-tac."
(timestamp 0:05:25)

Connecting his dots, Underwood has described the UAP as ... airplane-shaped.

 

[DaveC426913]

And that the uap was some sort of secret black ops of our military is decisively ruled out by Underwood.

(0:16:50)

He hasn't "decisively" ruled it out; he's deduced it's not that - because the procedure wasn't the same some other hyperthetical time has doesn't mention.

"If there is something out there that you ... weren't supposed to see, you get vectored home .. and then you have to debrief with someone who is briefed on that particular project... and they don't describe what it is."

As usual, one example doesn't rule out all examples.

It would be tantamount to "This can't be the same bank robbers as last month's robbery. Last time they wore red balaclavas, but this time they wore blue."


In this case, there isn't even another example; there is a hypothetical "That's what would happen with a Black Ops Project."

Underwood's only reason for supposing it wasn't Black Ops is because, for him, they didn't follow the same procedure as a different time.

The best he can deduce is that - at the time of his debriefing (which was immediately after the incident and report) - it wasn't known to be a Black Ops (yet), or at least wasn't subject to the same protocol as his experience, for some reason he doesn't know. Perhaps they didn't know it was a Black Ops operation until after his debriefing. We just don't know. And neither does he, apparently.

 

[Magical Realist]

I find it amusing and revealing that Underwood's own description of the shape of the UAP was inspired by its similarity to ... an airplane.

Film clip that inspired him: "It's a big pretty white plane ... it looks like a big Tylenol."

Underwood: "And I knew if I described it as a big Tylenol ... it's a little too on-the-nose.", "I don't take things too seriously ... so I said it looks like a big Tic-tac."
(timestamp 0:05:25)

Connecting his dots, Underwood has described the UAP as ... airplane-shaped.

Uh no...he described it as tic-tac shaped and you know it.

 

[DaveC426913]

...he described it as tic-tac shaped and you know it.

Yes. Because - as he is heard to say in his eyewitness account - his first inclination was to say it was "shaped like a Tylenol" - because in his inspiration, an airplane is Tylenol-shaped.

In fact, he says Tylenol is too on-the-nose. He only decided to change it because "...they wouldn't take the name Tylenol seriously..."

They go on at-length - almost two minutes - about how much he considered saying it was Tylenol-shaped - and here's the kicker: they spend a significant portion of that time on him explaining why he considers Tylenol to be descriptive of an airplane.

Two minutes of a video so the witness can tell us - in an amusing anecdote - that he thought it looked like an airplane.

It's all there. I even gave you a timestamp.

 

[Magical Realist]

.he described it as tic-tac shaped and you know it.

Dave: Yes.

Good...then we are done here.

 

[DaveC426913]

Good...then we are done here.

Our readers know perfectly well that saying one thing doesn't mean he didn't say another. More of your trollish logic?

In this new video he elaborates - he expounds upon - his first impression, at the time, is that he thought it was plane-shaped. And I have quoted him explaining that in the video.

But you got one thing right. You're done.

 

[James R]

Interesting confirmation too of some signal jamming going on from the tic tac uap despite the military report stating otherwise.

Erm... what?

How does the mere existence of two conflicting reports "confirm" the one you prefer to believe? Especially given that the military report is the more comprehensive of the two by quite some margin.

 

[Magical Realist]

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[C C]

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I randomly went to a point in the video that might have been around the 34 minute mark, about a Lt. Jacobs filming (in 1964) an Atlas rocket launch that was testing an anti-missile missile, or something. This PDF article from the 1990s clarifies that the rocket was deploying decoy warheads that would supposedly confuse defenses of the enemy.

• VIDEO EXCERPT: I recall two guys he in grey suits -- civilian clothes -- which was fairly unusual. Major Mansmann said 'watch this', and turned on the film projector.
  
  I watched the screen and there was the launch from the day or two before. As the Atlas missile entered the frame, we could see the whole third stage, which has two rocket nozzles -- like this and one in the center -- filling our frame from about 160 miles. That was pretty exciting hot digs, and then on that telescope we could see the warhead -- the dummy warhead.
  
  According to Jacobs, at this stage the rocket was traveling between eleven and fourteen thousand miles per hour, when a saucer-shaped craft entered the frame. It flew into the frame like this, and it shot a beam of light at the warhead.
  
  Now remember all this stuff is flying at several thousand miles an hour. So this thing fires a beam of light at the warhead, hits it, fires another beam of light, and then flies out the way it came in. And the warhead tumbles out of outer space.
  
  Now when the lights came on. Major Mansmann turned, around looked at me, and said, "Were you guys screwing around up there?"
  
  And I said, "No sir."
  
  And he said, "What was that?"
  
  And I said it looks to me like we got a UFO.
  
  Nearly two decades later, several letters written by Major Florence J Mansmann were obtained. In one dated March 8th, 1983, Major Mansmann corroborated Lieutenant Jacobs' story in the film.
  
  The assumption was at that time, extraterrestrial details would be sketchy, and from memory the shape was classic discs. The center seemed to be a raised bubble.
  
  Now Major Mansmann said to me, after some discussion about it -- he said, "You are never to speak of this again. As far as you're concerned, this never happened."
  
  In another letter Major Mansmann describes how two agents took the footage. They did not sign out for all the footage, but took out that part that showed the encounter, and returned the rest of the film as a complete package.

Of course, what the video provided was a reconstructed animation, since the original footage is gone. Whether packing material and loose straps or tethers could blurrily align themselves to resemble a disc and a beam of light is anybody's guess, but...

The PDF article (from an old Skeptical Inquirer issue) also covers the multiple possible explanations that Jacobs himself offered. And the author of the article asserts:

• I was the project engineer for these experiments. This article is intended to provide a more rational account of the sightings of September 1964 and to supply firsthand facts that should loosen any attachment the uninformed might have to Bob Jacobs's version.
  
  [...] What had we really photographed? Both the U.S. and the USSR had ongoing research programs in the 1960s for defense against ballistic missiles and to develop options to outwit possible defenses.
  
  Omitting the technical details, what had happened was that two decoys were fired off by small rocket charges on schedule, but some of the decoy packing material also trailed along and could be seen optically and also by certain kinds of radar. A little cloud of debris around each decoy warhead clearly gave away the false status, almost as well as coloring the decoys bright red.
  
  This, of course, led to more than a little consternation at SAC Headquarters and in higher military circles. Although correctable by redesign, the alarm in the minds of the strategic analysts was that the Soviets could defeat our ICBM decoys by using a few telescopes on mountain peaks in the USSR and relaying information on which objects were decoys to the Soviet ICBM defense command center.
  
  An immediate concern was that, although few understood its significance, a raft of people at Vandenberg AFB had seen the data. Vulnerability of a major weapons system is normally classified Top Secret. How could this matter be kept from leaking out?
  
  As might be expected, the military reaction came swiftly. Everyone who was at the telescope site or had seen the film had to be identified. All, including Jacobs and myself, had to be questioned on what they had seen and what they thought it meant. Each was cautioned not to mention what was on the film to anyone and not to discuss it with others...

 

[Magical Realist]

The PDF article (from an old Skeptical Inquirer issue) also covers the multiple possible explanations that Jacobs himself offered.

That PDF article included this quote from Jacobs:

Jacobs Conclusion 6: "What we photographed that day was the first terrestrial demonstration of what has come to be called S.D.I, or 'Star Wars.' The demonstration was put on for our benefit for some reason by extraterrestrials."

IOW he never retracted his claim that a ufo was involved. Leave it to Skeptical Enquirer to obfuscate his eyewitness account to their own advantage.

 

[Magical Realist]

Famous compelling footage of a daylight sighting of a ufo filmed by Rod Dickinson in Weymouth Dorset UK in 1998. Classic metallic disc shape hovering in place and then rising vertically. As the video below shows, this footage was examined by a special effects expert for any signs of CGI or overlaying and he said he could find none. "The object was actually there when filmed" was his conclusion. Two eyewitnesses confirm the sighting. The rather shaky original footage is also stabilized to get a better view of the ufo. Some question the credibility of Rod Dickinson as he has been involved in the artistry of crop circles making in the past. But that's irrelevant as he stands by the video, that there are two eyewitnesses, and that there are no signs of hoaxing. Surely one of the best video captures of a ufo ever taken.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I was excited when the Project Blue Book case study book was published. A week later I just put it away.

 

[DaveC426913]

 

[DaveC426913]

UAP spotted hovering over downtown Hamilton.

Multiple angles, very clear daylight images. No wings or control surfaces, no sign of propulsion. Compelling!

 

[Magical Realist]

Compelling video footage of circular ufo with green lights filmed in India. Skeptics offer the standard fare...a kind of drone we've never seen before and ofcourse the old balloon canard. See what you think.

"An intriguing piece of footage from India shows what appears to be an illuminated flying saucer hovering in the night sky. The odd object was reportedly filmed on Monday evening by a witness in the city of Chennai. In the video, the UFO initially seems to be a singular light out on the horizon. However, when the camera zooms in on the object, one can see that it is illuminated by a ring of lights. Alas, the footage ultimately ends with no indication of what became of the weird object after the witness spotted it in the sky."---- https://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/watch-illuminated-flying-saucer-filmed-in-india/

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I was quite excited when the Project Blue Book Report was published. Spent my lunch money on it. I shouldn't have been surprised by the results of all that work.