UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

[DaveC426913]

metallic spheres that Kirkpatrick says they see all over the world.

Interested readers: Magical Realist is a bit confused. We have been talking about the posted video. One object, not many.

We cannot say much about any other sightings without seeing and analyzing them.

And, as always, each must be analyzed on its own merits, or we risk drawing hasty conclusions about common origins.

Kirkpatrick has said nothing at all about anything that might causally link the various sightings in the category of things.

A camouflaged drone is still a plausible and simplest explanation so far that is consistent with the footage. Nothing since has changed that.

 

[Magical Realist]

Exact quote from Kirkpatrick: Referring to the metallic orb in the video.

" This is a typical example of what we see the most of. We see these all over the world. We see them making very interesting apparent maneuvers."

Can't get any more commonly sourced than that.

 

[DaveC426913]

Exact quote from Kirkpatrick: Referring to the metallic orb in the video.

" This is a typical example of what we see the most of. We see these all over the world. We see them making very interesting apparent maneuvers."

Can't get any more commonly sourced than that.

Are you suggesting that they have a common explanation?

 

[Magical Realist]

Are you suggesting that they have a common explanation?

Yep...

 

[James R]

Drones in round cages?...no..

A spherical indoor blimp?...No..

No what?

You don't believe that those things exist and can fly? Or what?

We were talking about a drone covered by a "salad bowl" or metal dome so that it could pass, from one angle, for a speeding metallic sphere as seen in Kirkpatrick's Middle East video.

Right. And I asked you this question, as you will recall:

But you admit that it is possible to make them, and that it is possible that somebody would bother to make one, despite the fact that you, personally, can currently think of no possible advantage in doing so. Right? Be honest, now.​

But you didn't answer that question, let alone answer it honestly.

Why didn't you answer that question, Magical Realist? Will you be honest and answer it now?

Would it be possible to build a drone with a metal dome that could pass, from one angle, for a speeding metal sphere as seen in Kirkpatrick's Middle East Video?

Please answer the question - and provide an honest answer.

It is Dave's valiant attempt to explain away the metallic spheres that Kirkpatrick says they see all over the world. These however would certainly not fit the bill. Next slide..

Why would they not fit the bill? Please explain.

 

[James R]

Are you suggesting that they have a common explanation?

Yep...

What's the explanation you believe in?

 

[Magical Realist]

What's the explanation you believe in?

Still waiting for that. More research is required.

 

[James R]

Magical Realist:

Please answer the question I asked you in post #9065. Answer honestly.

Thanks.

 

[DaveC426913]

*sigh* Well, you asked for it...

Exact quote from Kirkpatrick: Referring to the metallic orb in the video.
" This is a typical example of what we see the most of. We see these all over the world. We see them making very interesting apparent maneuvers."
Can't get any more commonly sourced than that.

Are you suggesting that they have a common explanation?

Yep...

Note that Kirkpatrick never says anything about a common origin; that is all Magical Realist's assertion.
Magical Realist believes that these metallic orbs have a common origin. He acknowledges this, above: "Can't get any more commonly sourced than that."

Well, several of the orbs Kirkpatrick refers to have been positively identified as common aircraft.

Therefore, by Magical Realist's own assertion of common cause, all these orbs seen all over the world are, in fact, common aircraft.

That, discerning readers, is known as "hoisting oneself on one's own petard".
Thus endeth today's lesson.

 

[James R]

Still waiting for that. More research is required.

So you believe there's a common explanation, but you currently have no idea what the explanation would involve.

Tell me why you believe there's a common explanation, then. After you answer my previous question, of course.

 

[James R]

Magical Realist:

I know you're still here, and that you've read post #9068.

I have to go do some other things now. But I expect a response from you. Don't go disappearing until you have responded. A simple "yes" or "no" is all that is required to this question:

Would it be possible to build a drone with a metal dome that could pass, from one angle, for a speeding metal sphere as seen in Kirkpatrick's Middle East Video?

If you find yourself unable to answer this simple question, I will have to assume you're trolling again.

Good luck.

 

[Magical Realist]

Would it be possible to build a drone with a metal dome that could pass, from one angle, for a speeding metal sphere as seen in Kirkpatrick's Middle East Video?

Possible but unlikely to be built for the reasons I already gave. See post 9056.

FYI: I'm not much inclined to communicate with a moderator who threatens to ban me if I don't answer their questions. That seems like abuse of power to me. Do you agree?'

Oh and it's 11:15 pm in Portland Oregon right now. Do I have your permission to go to bed now?

 

[Magical Realist]

So you believe there's a common explanation, but you currently have no idea what the explanation would involve.

Tell me why you believe there's a common explanation, then. After you answer my previous question, of course.

Because AARO director Sean Kirkpatrick says these metallic spheres are typical examples of the same kind of uaps they see all over the world. Apparently after examining hundreds of these cases, he believes they are all the same kind of thing with the same cause. It's like seeing a meteorite fall from the sky and knowing it to be caused by the same thing that causes other meteorites--falling rocks or space debris.

 

[DaveC426913]

Because AARO director Sean Kirkpatrick says these metallic spheres are typical examples of the same kind of uaps they see all over the world. Apparently after examining hundreds of these cases, he believes they are all the same kind of thing with the same cause. It's like seeing a meteorite fall from the sky and knowing it to be caused by the same thing that causes other meteorites--falling rocks or space debris.

All right, so you're comfortable then concluding they are all aircraft.

Metallic orbs case closed? Next slide?

 

[foghorn]

My bold. "same cause''

he believes they are all the same kind of thing with the same cause.

Where does Kirkpatrick say ''he believes they have the same cause" ?
Here are transcript links to two meetings at which Sean Kirkpatrick attended. Where does Kirkpatrick say he believes they have the ''same cause'' ?
April 19, 2023
Senate Armed Services Committee on Emerging Threats and Capabilities:
https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/download/kirkpatrick-statement

NASA meeting
https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/nasa-holds-first-public-meeting-on-ufos-transcript
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Sean Kirkpatrick saying no credible evidence thus far for off-world technology and nothing defying the known laws of physics.

I should also state clearly for the record that in our research AARO has found no
credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity, off-world technology, or
objects that defy the known laws of physics.

https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/download/kirkpatrick-statement

 

[DaveC426913]

Sean Kirkpatrick ... Apparently after examining hundreds of these cases, he believes they are all the same kind of thing with the same cause.

Source please.

 

[Magical Realist]

"Foghorn said: "Where does Kirkpatrick say ''he believes they have the same cause" ?

Do you seriously think he believes that all these metallic spheres they see "all over the world" have different causes? What would be the logic in that?

 

[DaveC426913]

Where does Kirkpatrick say ''he believes they have the same cause" ?

Do you seriously think he believes that all these metallic spheres they see "all over the world" have different causes?

Another question dodged.

Either show where he said he believes that or retract the claim.

 

[James R]

Magical Realist:

Possible but unlikely to be built for the reasons I already gave.

See? That wasn't so hard.

I will be encouraging you to try for honesty a little more consistently from this point forward.

FYI: I'm not much inclined to communicate with a moderator who threatens to ban me if I don't answer their questions.

It's your choice who you communicate with. However, I won't have you dishonestly trying to dodge issues, like a troll. You've already got away with that sort of behaviour far too often.

Oh and it's 11:15 pm in Portland Oregon right now. Do I have your permission to go to bed now?

Don't be cute. You were reading this very thread just after I posted. It would have taken you about 30 seconds to construct an honest reply. You should have posted an honest reply in the first place, instead of having to be asked by several people.

Because AARO director Sean Kirkpatrick says these metallic spheres are typical examples of the same kind of uaps they see all over the world. Apparently after examining hundreds of these cases, he believes they are all the same kind of thing with the same cause.

Several people have already questioned this new claim of yours, about what Kirkpatrick believes.

Please cite a source that supports your claim, or retract it. I expect you to do this when you next post to this thread. If you do not, I will be forced to conclude that you haven't mended your ways, and are - unfortunately - still acting like a troll.

Honesty please, Magical Realist. Is that too much to ask of you?

It's like seeing a meteorite fall from the sky and knowing it to be caused by the same thing that causes other meteorites--falling rocks or space debris.

There's so much wrong with this, it's hard to know where to start. I'm going to skip it for now.

Do you seriously think he believes that all these metallic spheres they see "all over the world" have different causes?

It doesn't matter what we think. It is your claim that "he believes they are all the same kind of thing with the same cause".

Is that claim based on something he said or wrote? Or is it just something you imagine he might believe? If it's the latter, don't pretend you know what he believes. That's dishonest.

What would be the logic in that?

The logic of similar-looking things having potentially many different causes has been explained to you over and over again on this forum for more than 10 years.

Why can't you play devil's advocate and tell us what we would say about the "logic in that"?

 

[foghorn]

Do you seriously think he believes that all these metallic spheres they see "all over the world" have different causes? What would be the logic in that?

I may say "I believe" all the orbs have the same cause, jamming certain frequencies, decoying, intelligence gathering or something else, but that’s me.
But, you MR are putting words into Kirkpatrick's mouth when saying Kirkpatrick "believes" they have the same cause.
I ask for the source.

MR says the US President "believes" the world is pyramid shaped.