UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

Nope.
Batting against stupidity.
Then you have swung so hard as to strike yourself on the head.
But can't be located on this Earth.
Can't be located by humans obviously. A typical property one expects of higher realms, or whatever other label suits.
Physical entities such as we know them.
So suggest a plausible physics allowing conscious beings in said higher dimensions. Good luck.
Regardless, alien = alien.
Maybe perhaps you could try being specific.
I have been. Your banal tautology explains nothing and ignores everything I have been at pains to explain. But some people just like to come across as 'smart'.
 
Can't be located by humans obviously. A typical property one expects of higher realms, or whatever other label suits.
Nope.
One would expect these "higher realms" to be shown to exist first.
So suggest a plausible physics allowing conscious beings in said higher dimensions. Good luck.
And yet you yourself claim "the higher power(s) is/are not material as we understand the term". So go ahead, give this "plausible physics".
And please define "higher power".
But some people just like to come across as 'smart'.
Quite.
But somehow you still don't manage it, do you?
 
Nope.
One would expect these "higher realms" to be shown to exist first.

And yet you yourself claim "the higher power(s) is/are not material as we understand the term". So go ahead, give this "plausible physics".
And please define "higher power".

Quite.
But somehow you still don't manage it, do you?
The difference between you and the rest of the ideologically committed materialists here, and the likes of me, is that I accept the voluminous credibly witnessed evidence for paranormal phenomena of various kinds, whereas your hard materialism requires rejecting such evidence out of hand. A fundamental conceptual divide. Why nearly everything here just goes round in circles.
 
The difference between you and the rest of the ideologically committed materialists here, and the likes of me, is that I accept the voluminous credibly witnessed evidence for paranormal phenomena of various kinds, whereas your hard materialism requires rejecting such evidence out of hand. A fundamental conceptual divide. Why nearly everything here just goes round in circles.
It's weird, isn't it?
You think it's okay to ask me to provide "plausible physics" but the moment you are asked to do so you decide instead to go on a rant about your own gullibility rather than give support to your claims.
 
It's weird, isn't it?
You think it's okay to ask me to provide "plausible physics" but the moment you are asked to do so you decide instead to go on a rant about your own gullibility rather than give support to your claims.
'rant', 'gullibility'...the expected bating pejoratives. You miss the point. There is no need to hypothesize an unknown and likely unknowable (by humans) 'higher realm physics'. All that one needs to know is that intelligently directed/controlled phenomena exists that has no explanation via conventional physics. And there's plenty of such evidence on offer. Invariably trivialized, ridiculed, distorted, and all-round rejected by your materialist brigade - as a matter of ideological principle.
 
You miss the point. There is no need to hypothesize an unknown and likely unknowable (by humans) 'higher realm physics'.
Um, isn't that essentially what you've done? (Minus any details, of course).
When I did it (post 4460) you asked "So suggest a plausible physics allowing conscious beings in said higher dimensions. Good luck."
Yet when you do so we get, essentially, "It's there but it doesn't need explaining"...
All that one needs to know is that intelligently directed/controlled phenomena exists that has no explanation via conventional physics.
:rolleyes:
 
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'rant', 'gullibility'...the expected bating pejoratives. You miss the point. There is no need to hypothesize an unknown and likely unknowable (by humans) 'higher realm physics'. All that one needs to know is that intelligently directed/controlled phenomena exists that has no explanation via conventional physics. And there's plenty of such evidence on offer. Invariably trivialized, ridiculed, distorted, and all-round rejected by your materialist brigade - as a matter of ideological principle.
And then you wonder why people see the likes of you, as gullible?
Let me fix that highlighted section for you..................
" All that one needs to know is that some unknown, or unexplained phenomena has been seen, that seems to have on face value, carried out certain manoeuvres that remain unexplained at this time"

To imagine some Alien controlled or piloted craft, some highly imagined higher dimensional being, or any other fabricated paranormal or supernatural nonsense, is silly....and gullible.
 
The difference between you and the rest of the ideologically committed materialists here, and the likes of me, is that I accept the voluminous credibly witnessed evidence for paranormal phenomena of various kinds, whereas your hard materialism requires rejecting such evidence out of hand. A fundamental conceptual divide. Why nearly everything here just goes round in circles.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence:

No evidence is ever rejected. The evidence so far supplied as related to UFO sightings, have shown the vast majority as explained by a myriad of mundane means.
The few that remain, remain well you know...UNIDENTIFIED or if you like unexplained.
The extraordinary evidence needed that may convince science and scientists as to the existence of any Alien life [including any of your pedantry make up alternatives] is a relic from their craft, some excreta, a body, making themselves officially known by landing or conducting their behaviour on the lawns of the White House, for example, or some other equally recognised official building.
There is also an interesting video map listing world wide UFO sightings. One must ask, why the vast majority have been in the USA?
https://www.esri.com/videos/watch?videoid=lAopNJMbFEI&title=animated-maps-a-century-of-ufo-sightings
 
All that one needs to know is that intelligently directed/controlled phenomena exists that has no explanation via conventional physics.
How could you, or anybody else, possibly hope to establish that claim?

To do it, you'd have to somehow rule out all "conventional physics" explanations, present and future. You think you've done that, somehow? Really?

Meanwhile, a much simpler explanation is readily available to you: people are fallible.

And there's plenty of such evidence on offer.
What evidence is there of "phenomena that have no explanation via conventional physics"?

Invariably trivialized, ridiculed, distorted, and all-round rejected by your materialist brigade - as a matter of ideological principle.
Forget ideology. It's a simple matter of critical thinking.
 
Meanwhile, a much simpler explanation is readily available to you: people are fallible.
Including you, and what passes for your 'critical thinking'. Which in practice is heavily laced with snide pejoratives designed to provoke an angry response. You are not genuine imo.
Again: This time from #4454: https://www.newsweek.com/ufo-sighti...tac-pentagon-navy-unidentified-aerial-1412272
I'll take their word for it over that of disingenuous 'debunker extraordinaire' James R any time thank you.
What evidence is there of "phenomena that have no explanation via conventional physics"?
This is why I cannot take you as genuine. We have gone over this topic now for 224 pages, with innumerable genuinely unexplained multi-witnessed cases posted. Always your lot trivialize, distort, and dismiss for no good reason. You simply don't want to admit there is more to the world than the material one subject to lab observation/testing. Non-material intelligences that refuse to play ball because they have their own unknown to us agenda, is something you can't handle. You can't handle that possibility when concocting your 'show us the evidence' worn out lines.

Anyway, you managed to prise some info as to my beliefs. Let's have it from you for once. So far, all you have given away is that you used to believe in God or a god, but are now an atheist. Tell us a bit more. What religion did you adhere to? Was your faith ever deep or just a nominal thing e.g. tagging along with family to church. What led to a crisis of faith, or simply a formal rejection of belief in a higher authority, if there was never any deep faith, and when?
 
Non-material intelligences that refuse to play ball because they have their own unknown to us agenda, is something you can't handle. You can't handle that possibility when concocting your 'show us the evidence' worn out lines.
Ahh yeah, MR was prone to rant on about that made up unknown excuse among all the other excuses.:rolleyes:
 
Including you, and what passes for your 'critical thinking'. Which in practice is heavily laced with snide pejoratives designed to provoke an angry response. You are not genuine imo.
Again: This time from #4454: https://www.newsweek.com/ufo-sighti...tac-pentagon-navy-unidentified-aerial-1412272
I'll take their word for it over that of disingenuous 'debunker extraordinaire' James R any time thank you.

This is why I cannot take you as genuine. We have gone over this topic now for 224 pages, with innumerable genuinely unexplained multi-witnessed cases posted. Always your lot trivialize, distort, and dismiss for no good reason. You simply don't want to admit there is more to the world than the material one subject to lab observation/testing. Non-material intelligences that refuse to play ball because they have their own unknown to us agenda, is something you can't handle. You can't handle that possibility when concocting your 'show us the evidence' worn out lines.

Anyway, you managed to prise some info as to my beliefs. Let's have it from you for once. So far, all you have given away is that you used to believe in God or a god, but are now an atheist. Tell us a bit more. What religion did you adhere to? Was your faith ever deep or just a nominal thing e.g. tagging along with family to church. What led to a crisis of faith, or simply a formal rejection of belief in a higher authority, if there was never any deep faith, and when?

Q-reeus

You understand , good .
 
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/a-word-about-those-ufo-videos/

Nice little article from an Astrophysicist......

two extracts relevant.....
" It’s not that we don’t think aliens exist. To the best of my knowledge, most of us do. Life appears to have arisen on our own planet as a result of the extreme conditions of the early Earth, possibly in the vicinity of an undersea hydrothermal vent, where volatile chemicals and plentiful energy likely helped stray amino acids come together to make the first simple lifeforms."

" The idea that Earth is fully unique, the one inhabited world in the universe, or even the Milky Way, seems a bit absurd" .

The fact remains, that as yet we have no conclusive evidence that any life exists off this Earth, let alone having visited us.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence will always suffice, and as yet that is not forthcoming, despite gullible people and their built in desires and needs.
 
The fact remains, that as yet we have no conclusive evidence that any life exists off this Earth, let alone having visited us.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence will always suffice, and as yet that is not forthcoming, despite gullible people and their built in desires and needs.
No. As I explained in earlier post, you lot simply refuse to acknowledge the plentiful 'extraordinary evidence' accumulated over many decades. For outright prejudiced ideological committment reasons. Or worse, because you are nasty and impudent by nature. And that last option imo describes you to a 'T'.
 
No. As I explained in earlier post, you lot simply refuse to acknowledge the plentiful 'extraordinary evidence' accumulated over many decades.
And yet, even you aren't convinced.
Most believing people think it's aliens.
But you don't believe that. You've got your own supernatural theory that you like.

So, by your logic, it's OK for you to have your preferred explanation of these reports instead of toeing the party line, but not OK for anyone else to have our own preferred explanation of these reports. Don't you think that's a little hypocritical?

Furthermore, if "you simply refuse to acknowledge the extraordinary evidence presented" were a valid counterargument, then you are doing the very thing you accuse others of. Why don't you just acknowledge all the extraordinary evidence we've presented?

And by not doing so, you incriminate yourself for (what was it? oh yeah) "... outright prejudiced ideological committment [sic] reasons . .. [and] ... because you are nasty and impudent by nature. And that last option imo describes you to a 'T'."

That's hypocritical.
 
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