to vax or not to vax

[RainbowSingularity]

This link is full of malevolent lies. There are no aborted foetus cells in any vaccine. That's utterly ridiculous.

Don't believe this tosh. Read the science.

i wonder of those extremists opposing stem cell science which ones refuse to accept blood transfusions, organ & skin transplants.

i woman donating stem cells is no different to a man donating skins cells on a personal liberal process of absolute rights
it boils my blood when i think of how twisted & insidious such people are that would deliberately confuse the 2 to seek control over womens bodys & pervert the minds of boys & girls.

what universe

fyi
what i observed in the media message come out of Sweden as the pandemic took hold was a collective public opinion supported by politicians that they would prefer to take the deaths than take the pandemic response so as to let people die off as a natural immunity process like the common flu.
i am 100% sure that was their intended meaning and media message
what i suspect is none of those same people will now come back on camera and say the same thing and validate their response by public statements.

their initial appraisal was very flawed considering what covid[SAR'S CoV-2] can mutate into & what it is likely to mutate into.
they need to be on board the vaccine process & border controls even IF they are happy to let their own people die off.

For example, in Australia, one State implemented some of the toughest lockdown measures in the world, that lasted several months. There was no increase in suicides.

fyi
the alt-right have been attempting to cook this data for a while
they know it will play right into the hands of the conservative liberal church group political donors.
they can then pedal it as false liberalism & validate a death concept around social order mandates to try and paint the state as a attacking agent who is killing people
to fuel their violent anarchist members.

 

[Nacho]

...
what i suspect is none of those same people will now come back on camera and say the same thing and validate their response by public statements.

their initial appraisal was very flawed considering what covid can mutate into & what it is likely to mutate into.
they need to be on board the vaccine process & border controls even IF they are happy to let their own people die off.

Well, I think they will come on board and try to protect their statements whether they are political (your words, outside my quote) or not. A point in case is a person we have had to deal with in the USA this whole time: Dr. Fauci. Over the past year he has gone with you don't need to wear face masks, to you need to, you need to wear them in home settings even with people you should know aren't contracting, to wearing multiple face masks -- to whatever. This person has also been caught in events not wearing masks, when he said they were essential. He is still assailed in some news media as the person that tells you what you need to know. These people will tell you things that will only: keep them on TV and the media and in a position that people will trust them or reason that they should be trusted. I've never heard what I would consider the truth, only what people say so that they could hold on to what power they have. Even the USA CDC. They have never had a coherent message as far as I am concerned.

 

[Nacho]

Yup.

I had the Oxford/AstraZeneca one 3 weeks ago and felt quite shivery for 24hrs with muscular aches, but then got back to normal over the next 24hrs after that. No worse than some of the vaccines I've had for work overseas. But that may be because I've already had the virus, so my immune system probably recognised it immediately.

That, to me, is weird. I read, previously in a different thread, that you had already contracted and got over Covid. I don't understand why you would have a reaction of the same length, or more, or similar than persons getting the vaccine that hadn't contracted Covid before. Can you think of anything?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

I've never heard what I would consider the truth, only what people say so that they could hold on to what power they have.

very common power & authority issue in all human collections
the larger the collection, the larger the %
some cultures drive a need to extremafy some things to use them as scape-goats

Even the USA CDC. They have never had a coherent message as far as I am concerned.

where does a (in this case USA) government department draw the line between
the peoples puppet voice
and
an independent authoritative voice to the people

part of the core USA moral culture is that government must be a singular dictator construct defined by a mimicry of capitalist pyramid systems of authority

so the never ending battle between democracy & dictatorship continues to undermine the government scientific independence to need to pay lip service to which ever style of dictator has become trendy
in this case the liberal conservative right wing cowboy culture

what was the voter representation to show a mandate of the peoples moral rule ?
50/50
so no politician wants to challenge anything in fear of loosing that 50/50 gamble
irony

so what drives progress ? greed ? psychopaths ? predators ?

Sweden

Well, I think they will come on board and try to protect their statements whether they are political (your words, outside my quote) or not.

politics versus policy ...
versus what ? public health or international image ?

are all leaders "political" ?

political (your words, outside my quote) or not

is a head of a government science agency a 'political'(a political "what") ?[note the abstract self association]

Swedish people are not alien to human concepts
americanisation of needs for self validating xenophobic culture doctrines is alienating by virtue of default paradigm definitions.

USA looses more lifes to violence than Sweden does
USA looses more lifes to drug over dose deaths than Sweden does

so emotively concocted moral alignment toward concepts of relative social policy tend to beget the nature of the principal
(& as much as that may be interpreted an accusation by American readers, it is a personal statement not an accusation)
to me im stating the obvious, though we are shooting the breeze on these issues obviously, such is the nature of intellectual discourse/debate

maybe Sweden will define this as a management disaster & a learning curve

out of curiosity from a global public opinion perspective
[({ what would have been the international outcry had Sweden simply shut all its borders to foreigners?})]

i hesitate to offer any inflammatory concepts real or environmental
however
china for better or worse was not presenting the covid outbreak as a massive risk
USA was not either
so the initial national responses was vastly understated.
though quite obliviously china was able to lock down to deliver a much superior result.
do the Swedish people want a socialist lock down condition
or
would they prefer to have people run their own risks & deaths ?
i think Sweden would choose more personal accountability & a higher death rate
that's their culture
they don't suffer from the USA massive loss of lifes & money to drug issues & violent crime
so they can afford to have a certain spike in death & loss and not lose their cultural identity.

how does that relate to the USA ?
note[ i am well aware i am asking you questions you probably can not answer, i am making a point not so much expecting you to give me x,y or z as an answer(consider them talking points)]

 

[exchemist]

That, to me, is weird. I read, previously in a different thread, that you had already contracted and got over Covid. I don't understand why you would have a reaction of the same length, or more, or similar than persons getting the vaccine that hadn't contracted Covid before. Can you think of anything?

That's because the reaction you get is due to your body mounting an immune response to the invader. If you already have some immunity, your body remembers how to fight it and gets on the case very fast - so you feel a bit crap while this is happening.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

i wonder what risk i would have if i got vaccinated by ALL the different vaccines one after the other.
would it make any difference ?
i guess i will choose the highest efficacy one once it is rolled out if and when that happens.
ideally i will choose not to be vaccinated
but that is looking like a global reality where not being vaccinated will no longer be the sane thing to do for those who may risk reactions to vaccines.

 

[mathman]

Just got vax today (J&J one dose). No problem.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

Just got vax today (J&J one dose). No problem.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/jj-vaccine-game-changer-matters-rcna322

"We've never had to vaccinate our whole population at the same time before — not to mention the rest of the world — so having more vaccines will make that easier," Jean-Jacques said.

The vaccine's authorization is a significant milestone, because it will help ease the supply and distribution bottlenecks that have hampered the rollout of vaccines across the country, said Dr. Stella Safo, an HIV primary care physician who is an Assistant Professor of Medicine at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai.

[not some random person walking past a camera being asked how they feel]

An analysis by the Food and Drug Administration found that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine was 85 percent effective at preventing severe Covid-19 and 100 percent effective at preventing death. In the U.S., the single dose was 72 percent effective at preventing moderate to severe disease.

 

[Luchito]

I simply do not understand why Americans are so terrified of a perfectly ordinary vaccination shot. Here in the UK, 90% of over 70s came forward to be vaccinated, and now we are onto the over 60s.

I had mine (Oxford/AstraZeneca) last Friday and spent Saturday feeling fairly feverish, no doubt because I have had the virus already so my system recognises the invader and reacts. But fine from Sunday onward, apart a little residual soreness around the injection site, which is normal.

As a former international traveller, I must have had about 20 of these vaccinations over the years, for cholera, Typhoid, Tetanus, Yellow Fever etc. It really is not a big deal. At all. Whereas it can easily save your life.

Those corona virus vaccines are not FDA approved.

 

[sculptor]

<------- got the 2nd Moderna shot yesterday

 

[exchemist]

Those corona virus vaccines are not FDA approved.

It's one vaccine, not several. It has been approved by the UK and EU authorities and is in use all over the world. The USA will probably approve it next month.

But my point was a general one about the apparent reluctance in the USA to get vaccinated using one of the vaccines available already there.

 

[Luchito]

It's one vaccine, not several. It has been approved by the UK and EU authorities and is in use all over the world. The USA will probably approve it next month.

But my point was a general one about the apparent reluctance in the USA to get vaccinated using one of the vaccines available already there.

No FDA approved.

It never passed safety standard and it's experimental. It has not been approved but AUTHORIZED only.

In my house we won't be vaccinated with a product that has not passed the correspondent safety tests.

Think twice before continue promoting such a vaccine.

And about your claim that such vaccines have been accepted worldwide already, a bumper sticker in a 60's old truck in my neighborhood applies very well to that:

Eat garbage

8,763,194,548,332 flies can't be wrong.

 

[exchemist]

No FDA approved.

It never passed safety standard and it's experimental. It has not been approved but AUTHORIZED only.

In my house we won't be vaccinated with a product that has not passed the correspondent safety tests.

Think twice before continue promoting such a vaccine.

And about your claim that such vaccines have been accepted worldwide already, a bumper sticker in a 60's old truck in my neighborhood applies very well to that:

Eat garbage

8,763,194,548,332 flies can't be wrong.

It has passed all the tests required for its use in the EU and the UK. These cover both safety and efficacy. The vaccine is fully approved, and 17 million people in Europe have been vaccinated with it. It is now approved for use in 70 countries worldwide.

So it is you that is talking merde, I rather think.

 

[mathman]

It's one vaccine, not several. It has been approved by the UK and EU authorities and is in use all over the world. The USA will probably approve it next month.

But my point was a general one about the apparent reluctance in the USA to get vaccinated using one of the vaccines available already there.

Don't judge USA reaction by a small minority of anti-vaxers. Most of us are getting vaccinated as soon as it is available.

 

[exchemist]

Don't judge USA reaction by a small minority of anti-vaxers. Most of us are getting vaccinated as soon as it is available.

That's reassuring to hear. I suppose the trouble with hanging out on internet forums is one hears from all the nutcases and oddballs, rather than what Mr and Mrs Average are thinking.

 

[Michael 345]

Eat garbage

8,763,194,548,332 flies can't be wrong.

Well you appear to have uped the ante

Hear garbage and verbally regurgitate it

How does it feel to be a fly?

 

[origin]

In my house we won't be vaccinated with a product that has not passed the correspondent safety tests

It has been deemed safe, anyway good luck on your roll of the dice.

Think twice before continue promoting such a vaccine.

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Everyone go out and get vaccinated!!
Got my second Pfizer jab yesterday. In 10 days or so I am going to sit down inside a restaurant and have dinner!

 

[Luchito]

It has been deemed safe, anyway good luck on your roll of the dice.

1.
2.
Everyone go out and get vaccinated!!
Got my second Pfizer jab yesterday. In 10 days or so I am going to sit down inside a restaurant and have dinner!

Vaccine against the corona virus is for poor health condition people. This is the current fact.

If you are healthy, you don't need that vaccine, because the COVID 19 is a weak virus.

So, yes, you go and get vaccinated. Bring your entire family.

 

[Luchito]

Well you appear to have uped the ante

Hear garbage and verbally regurgitate it

How does it feel to be a fly?

Oh, great, and don't forget, I will pick up the garbage in your neighborhood, please put the poo poo wrapped in plastic bags, I have a party tomorrow night...

 

[RainbowSingularity]

It's one vaccine, not several. It has been approved by the UK and EU authorities and is in use all over the world. The USA will probably approve it next month.

But my point was a general one about the apparent reluctance in the USA to get vaccinated using one of the vaccines available already there.

its social engineering
which has created a culture
that culture doesn't want to be told what to do
even if it kills them
there is a culture who rally against those issuing public science advice, they have been working hard since the start of climate change.

that has fed the anti government USA culture which is alt-right alt-left & hyper liberal & religious conservatives
thats a sizable chunk of people to make money off selling them coolaid flavored hyme books
they like it