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Ok, but that is exactly why I post in a Science Forum. I have found the Science to be lacking when it comes to Conscious Experience. I am talking about the Deficiencies of the Science with respect to Conscious Experience. This is certainly an appropriate issue for a Science Forum. If anyone could show me a good Scientific Explanation for Conscious Experience, then ok I'll be satisfied. But saying that it Emerges from the Neurons is unacceptable. This is a Belief, not an Explanation. But if that is your Belief then I can only implore you to think more Deeply about the Conscious Experience itself. How can it just spontaneously be produced by the Neurons? There is a huge Explanatory Gap here. There is no Chain of Logic to get from Neural Activity to Redness, or the Standard A Tone, or the Salty Taste. This is the classic Hard Problem of Conscious Experience.
There is no explanatory gap from a science viewpoint. There is no definition of "experience" with any tangible meaning, or any objective means of detecting or measuring it. You certainly have not offered one, in spite of being invited to do so.

So there is no "problem" and nothing to study.
 
It is basically a Paradigm change from current thinking.

The Crackpot index was written 22 years ago. Isn't it amazing how applicable is still is.

Crackpot index #19: 10 points for claiming that your work is on the cutting edge of a "paradigm shift".
https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

You're just rackin' up the points Steve. There is a teachable moment here for you.
 
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The Crackpot index was written 22 years ago. Isn't it amazing how applicable is still is.

Crackpot index #19: 10 points for claiming that your work is on the cutting edge of a "paradigm shift".
https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

You're just rackin' up the points Steve.

I'm curious as to why when asked about any aspect of this ground breaking shift whatever the reply is a fob off to a web site

Just suspect

:)
 
There is no explanatory gap from a science viewpoint. There is no definition of "experience" with any tangible meaning, or any objective means of detecting or measuring it. You certainly have not offered one, in spite of being invited to do so.

So there is no "problem" and nothing to study.
There you have it. You are dismissing a Phenomenon that is at the very core of what you are. Are you Sentient at all? If so what is the Logic to dismiss Conscious Experiences? You are putting your head in the sand. It's not Scientific to say that there is no way to measure Conscious Experience so it does not Exist. The duty of Science is to go find a way to measure Conscious Experience.
 
I'm curious as to why when asked about any aspect of this ground breaking shift whatever the reply is a fob off to a web site

Just suspect

:)
If you don't actually read the website then you are asking questions because you don't have the full picture. The whole point is that you read the website and then give me feed back. But instead you ask questions that are answered in the text of the website. I understand if you don't want to take the time to fully read and understand what the website says. I have already gotten some good feedback that I have put into the website. That is why I reference the website. To make it better. It is a work in progress.
 
The Crackpot index was written 22 years ago. Isn't it amazing how applicable is still is.

Crackpot index #19: 10 points for claiming that your work is on the cutting edge of a "paradigm shift".
https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

You're just rackin' up the points Steve. There is a teachable moment here for you.
The Logic of my Arguments is inescapable if you actually Read and Consider what the website says. You don't have to Agree or understand but if you at least try I will be happy.
 
He's not here to defend or discuss his ideas, he's here to drive traffic to his site.
My ideas are on the website. The website first attempts to Deprogram people from thinking in the old ways, and then tries to get people to think Outside the Box. It's an almost impossible task to get people to think in New Ways, but I try anyway. It's ok if you don't want to read the website but don't expect me to spoon feed the whole website to you in bits and pieces when you can just go read it.
 
There you have it. You are dismissing a Phenomenon that is at the very core of what you are. Are you Sentient at all? If so what is the Logic to dismiss Conscious Experiences? You are putting your head in the sand. It's not Scientific to say that there is no way to measure Conscious Experience so it does not Exist. The duty of Science is to go find a way to measure Conscious Experience.
I have nowhere said there is no such thing as conscious experience. That would be like saying there is no such thing as love. What I am saying - and it's not just me: Massimo Pigliucci has the same scepticism - is that the so-called "hard problem" is not a problem with any meaning, so far as science is concerned. It is about something entirely subjective and personal.

You can write what you like about conscious experience but it will not be science, that's all.
 
Hard facts are science. And if consciousness is an emergent property of hard facts, science should be able to find answers to the hard problem.
 
I have nowhere said there is no such thing as conscious experience. That would be like saying there is no such thing as love. What I am saying - and it's not just me: Massimo Pigliucci has the same scepticism - is that the so-called "hard problem" is not a problem with any meaning, so far as science is concerned. It is about something entirely subjective and personal.

You can write what you like about conscious experience but it will not be science, that's all.
It is not Science yet. But I am trying to change that. Conscious Experience is a Phenomenon that is happening in the Manifest Universe. Open your Eyes, and your Ears and Experience the Light and the Sound that is inside your Conscious Mind. It has always been there but it has been Censored by a Century of Physicalist Doctrine. It actually is naïve beyond belief that Science will not Discover and incorporate into Science many new Concepts and Phenomena in the future. It seems that the Physicalists Believe that all the Science that will ever be Discovered is already Discovered. The Hard Problem is alive and well and kicking at the door of Physicalist Dogma.
 
Hard facts are science. And if consciousness is an emergent property of hard facts, science should be able to find answers to the hard problem.
Hard Facts indeed are Science. But the Existence of Conscious Experience is a Hard Fact, so it must be Scientific in so far as the Existence of the Phenomenon. The missing element is to be able to say something Scientific about the Phenomenon. I can do that. Redness is a Property of the Redness Experience Phenomenon. Wavelength is not a Property of the Redness Experience Phenomenon. Wavelength is a Property of Red Electromagnetic Light Phenomenon. Redness is not a Property of the Red Electromagnetic Light Phenomenon. In other words Conscious Phenomena have their own special Properties, that Science must get a handle on.
 
But the Existence of Conscious Experience is a Hard Fact,
Wrong, Hard facts are physical processes. Consciousness is not a physical process. It is an emergent experience from physical processes, but we don't know which physical processes, yet.

Therefore it is a Hard question to a whole series of Hard facts. Science is working on the examination of these Hard facts to discover all the hard details involved in the emergence of emotion.

IMO, it is a problem of electro/bio-chemistry, such as experiencing the effects of endorphins, or anesthesia and resides mainly in experiential memory, which also allows us to chemically experience the emotional experiences of others via empathic (cognitive) responses.
 
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Wrong, Hard facts are physical processes. Consciousness is not a physical process. It is an emergent experience from physical processes, but we don't know which physical processes, yet.

Therefore it is a Hard question to a whole series of Hard facts. Science is working on the examination of these Hard facts to discover all the hard details involved in the emergence of emotion.

IMO, it is a problem of electro/bio-chemistry, such as experiencing the effects of endorphins, or anesthesia and resides mainly in experiential memory, which also allows us to chemically experience the emotional experiences of others via empathic (cognitive) responses.
Conscious Experience is a Hard Fact of your Existence and everybody else's Existence. Conscious Experience will be a new Class of Mental Processes that Science will eventually be forced to adopt. Science will need to think outside the Box for this one.
 
It is not Science yet. But I am trying to change that. Conscious Experience is a Phenomenon that is happening in the Manifest Universe. Open your Eyes, and your Ears and Experience the Light and the Sound that is inside your Conscious Mind. It has always been there but it has been Censored by a Century of Physicalist Doctrine. It actually is naïve beyond belief that Science will not Discover and incorporate into Science many new Concepts and Phenomena in the future. It seems that the Physicalists Believe that all the Science that will ever be Discovered is already Discovered. The Hard Problem is alive and well and kicking at the door of Physicalist Dogma.
To make anything scientific about this, you will need to propose some objective observation that can be made about conscious experience, so that it can be studied scientifically.

What do you propose to measure?
 
Conscious Experience is a Hard Fact of your Existence and everybody else's Existence. Conscious Experience will be a new Class of Mental Processes that Science will eventually be forced to adopt. Science will need to think outside the Box for this one.
What is the "physical" difference between a conscious mind and an unconscious mind? Nothing!
The difference lies in the differential equations between the states of activity.
 
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