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I think the plan is to throw everything on the wall and see what sticks.
Or throw enough stuff, some of which may stick, purely as a distraction while in the background turning the country into a one-party state with the President as king?
I'm going to the Gaza casinos for the ladies, drinks and the gold fixtures.
"Gold fixtures"? Isn't that what Trump calls his toilet? ;)


Re: Mexico: as much as I'd love to have that discussion, I'm mostly ignorant of the situation between government and cartels, so won't continue. :)
 
Am I the only one who feels faintly sick to see posts joking about visiting casinos in Gaza, while no mention is made of the suffering of 2 million destitute people, who would be dispossessed of even their homeland by this loathsome proposal?
 
Joined up thinking? Nul points.
Ah, as successful as a UK entry in the Eurovision song contest! ;)
But anyway, he can't wage a war of aggression - which this idea would involve - without the approval of Congress. Which I suspect he would not get.
Not sure this is strictly true...

War Powers Resolution

It provides that the president can send the U.S. Armed Forces into action abroad only by declaration of war by Congress, "statutory authorization", or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces".


Given the part I've bolded, there would appear to be means and ways of him kickstarting something without the need for approval by Congress if he really wanted to. Is he above false-flag operations? He certainly has a very good friend who he may have learnt from.
Maybe a Greenlander accidentally spilled the pint of a US worker in their local bar?
 
Ah, as successful as a UK entry in the Eurovision song contest! ;)

Not sure this is strictly true...

War Powers Resolution

It provides that the president can send the U.S. Armed Forces into action abroad only by declaration of war by Congress, "statutory authorization", or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces".


Given the part I've bolded, there would appear to be means and ways of him kickstarting something without the need for approval by Congress if he really wanted to. Is he above false-flag operations? He certainly has a very good friend who he may have learnt from.
Maybe a Greenlander accidentally spilled the pint of a US worker in their local bar?
He'd have a struggle to find a rationale for invading Gaza, though. And that would be a war, that's for sure.
 
Am I the only one who feels faintly sick to see posts joking about visiting casinos in Gaza, while no mention is made of the suffering of 2 million destitute people, who would be dispossessed of even their homeland by this loathsome proposal?
It's precisely because it is loathsome, absurd, and almost universally rejected, that it is not something being taken seriously. If you ridicule the idea you take away it's power, you highlight it's absurdity, you laugh at the person who made the proposals of turning it into a tourist destination.

That is not taking anything away from those who have suffered and are continuing to suffer. But joking about Trump's absurd proposals is to mock and ridicule him, not those suffering in any way.
 
He'd have a struggle to find a rationale for invading Gaza, though. And that would be a war, that's for sure.
He wouldn't be invading Gaza, though. Israel would claim that it is their territory, and invite the US in to redevelop it. Any US military presence would be to protect the workforce.

It's ethnic cleansing, but all Trump can see is the $$$. Because he's a [insert four-letter word].
 
He wouldn't be invading Gaza, though. Israel would claim that it is their territory, and invite the US in to redevelop it. Any US military presence would be to protect the workforce.

It's ethnic cleansing, but all Trump can see is the $$$. Because he's a [insert four-letter word].
Hmm, you may be right. Perhaps this is exactly what Trump and Netanyahu discussed. However, the Gaza Strip has never been recognised as part of Israel. It belonged to Egypt until the 6 Day War and its status since the subsequent Israeli occupation has never been agreed, so far as I am aware. Nonetheless the US Congress, with the combined might of its ignorance of world affairs and the power of the Israel Lobby, might take Netanyahu's view.

But it would be a war, nonetheless. The Gazans would fight to stop the takeover.

And I, for one, would be sending them donations. So far I've just sent humanitarian donations to Palestine, but that would change if this repulsive idea went ahead. Let's hope it gets squashed by someone serious in Washington.
 
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Am I the only one who feels faintly sick to see posts joking about visiting casinos in Gaza, while no mention is made of the suffering of 2 million destitute people, who would be dispossessed of even their homeland by this loathsome proposal?
You might be a little too sensitive. Too much emotion doesn't help any problem. Gaza is bombed out. There is little to "save".

I'm not really going to go to a casino in Gaza. I was making fun of that. Sometimes it's more helpful to lighten up a little. Or be continually enraged if that works for you.
 
Hmm, you may be right. Perhaps this is exactly what Trump and Netanyahu discussed.

But it would be a war, nonetheless. The Gazans would fight to stop the takeover.

And I, for one, would be sending them donations. So far I've just sent humanitarian donations to Palestine, but that would change if this repulsive idea went ahead. Let's hope it gets squashed by someone serious in Washington.
If anything actually happened it would just be rebuilding a more prosperous and sustainable economy in Gaza. Nothing that it's likely to happen but continual outrage with no change isn't helpful either.

There was outrage at the lockup of criminals in El Salvador yet life there is now much, much better. Argentina went though some "tough love" and that's looking up. Outrage doesn't really do much as it turns out.
 
You might be a little too sensitive. Too much emotion doesn't help any problem. Gaza is bombed out. There is little to "save".

I'm not really going to go to a casino in Gaza. I was making fun of that. Sometimes it's more helpful to lighten up a little. Or be continually enraged if that works for you.
"Lighten up". You would not be saying this if these were American citizens.

I realise that to Netanyahu and Trump, Palestinians are untermenschen, but I had thought we might do a little better than that here.

Even a cold-eyed, cynical realist should recognise that the effect of all this appalling suffering will be largely what determines the response from other nations, even if Americans dismiss it and tell us to "lighten up". So it needs to be part of the discussion, I would have thought.
 
Sheesh - reading the BBC's reporting on the matter (here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/clyn05y9x2xt)... the most striking thing is not the general condemnation of the idea by other countries, but of responses from some Republican politicians.
E.g. House Speaker Mike Johnson - who praised Trump's "bold action in hopes of achieving lasting peace"... Nancy Mace, a congresswoman who said Gaza could be made to resemble Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida.

Even those who are trying to sane-wash Trump's words are saying that he seems to see it as a real-estate issue, and not political. For the "leader of the free world" to be so politically blind is, quite frankly, staggering. But while some might say "well, it's Trump, so what did you expect!" I find that that only serves to gradually normalise what should hopefully never become normal.
 
Sheesh - reading the BBC's reporting on the matter (here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/clyn05y9x2xt)... the most striking thing is not the general condemnation of the idea by other countries, but of responses from some Republican politicians.
E.g. House Speaker Mike Johnson - who praised Trump's "bold action in hopes of achieving lasting peace"... Nancy Mace, a congresswoman who said Gaza could be made to resemble Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida.

Even those who are trying to sane-wash Trump's words are saying that he seems to see it as a real-estate issue, and not political. For the "leader of the free world" to be so politically blind is, quite frankly, staggering. But while some might say "well, it's Trump, so what did you expect!" I find that that only serves to gradually normalise what should hopefully never become normal.
As always it is the response of T's enablers that is most pertinent.

Is Johnson's response an example of "faint praise"?

Is T's "idea" effectively stillborn and are there other motives behind him "bringing it up"(pun intended) ?

Is this an indication of senility?
 
Sheesh - reading the BBC's reporting on the matter (here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/clyn05y9x2xt)... the most striking thing is not the general condemnation of the idea by other countries, but of responses from some Republican politicians.
E.g. House Speaker Mike Johnson - who praised Trump's "bold action in hopes of achieving lasting peace"... Nancy Mace, a congresswoman who said Gaza could be made to resemble Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida.

Even those who are trying to sane-wash Trump's words are saying that he seems to see it as a real-estate issue, and not political. For the "leader of the free world" to be so politically blind is, quite frankly, staggering. But while some might say "well, it's Trump, so what did you expect!" I find that that only serves to gradually normalise what should hopefully never become normal.
I think we have to stop using that outmoded title “leader of the free world”. Trump’s USA has telegraphed it no longer has any interest in that - and is rapidly abandon those principles at home. The baton passes now to the EU to show leadership on democratic values and the impartial rule of law.
 
I think we have to stop using that outmoded title “leader of the free world”. Trump’s USA has telegraphed it no longer has any interest in that - and is rapidly abandon those principles at home. The baton passes now to the EU to show leadership on democratic values and the impartial rule of law.
Yeah, I was using "" to express the irony we non-Americans likely feel at its use.
I say we pass the moniker to Starmer! Or, just to piss Trump off, to Trudeau! ;)
 
Sheesh - reading the BBC's reporting on the matter (here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/clyn05y9x2xt)... the most striking thing is not the general condemnation of the idea by other countries, but of responses from some Republican politicians.
E.g. House Speaker Mike Johnson - who praised Trump's "bold action in hopes of achieving lasting peace"... Nancy Mace, a congresswoman who said Gaza could be made to resemble Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida.

Even those who are trying to sane-wash Trump's words are saying that he seems to see it as a real-estate issue, and not political. For the "leader of the free world" to be so politically blind is, quite frankly, staggering. But while some might say "well, it's Trump, so what did you expect!" I find that that only serves to gradually normalise what should hopefully never become normal.
My... intense dislike for roughly half of Americans is probably pretty apparent, but the thing is it is normal--for Americans. We are inculcated with vile, odious and nonsensical bullshit pretty much from birth. From the Horatio Alger "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" garbage to the depraved idiocy of Manifest Destiny, we were brought up to be entitled, elitist, selfish pricks. There's not even any sort of noblesse oblige corollary in American discourse: we owe nothing to anybody but ourselves. And even when you consider some of the more decent aspects of American culture, like the inscription on the plaque on the Statue of Liberty, "Give me your tired..."--that was written by Emma Lazarus, a Jewish lady, hardly a real American (especially in the Bible Belt). Pretty much anything good comes from outliers and outsiders.

In short, Americans think nothing of exterminating a race of people in order to build golf courses. It's entirely normal.

Edit: Or, as this guy
You might be a little too sensitive. Too much emotion doesn't help any problem. Gaza is bombed out. There is little to "save".

I'm not really going to go to a casino in Gaza. I was making fun of that. Sometimes it's more helpful to lighten up a little. Or be continually enraged if that works for you.
has reminded us elsewhere: his views are more mainstream.
 
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Also, to quote the greatest living drummer in the world, Charles Hayward:

My ‘bag’ had been severely, severely ruptured very, very early on in my life. I was very, very, lucky. My father had been a prisoner of war and he joined the army and gone to war, (and was) obliged to listen to British dance music, because that’s all there was, Victor Silvester and stuff like that. And then he had the misfortune to become a prisoner of war. And other people who were also prisoners of war were American GIs.

He gave me a resume. The white guys were arseholes.
The black guys were fucking fantastic. ‘So what do you mean, Dad?’ ‘The white guys – all they ever did was boast about how their Red Cross was superior to our one.’ (adopts American accent) ‘ You guys ain’t got chewing gum. What, you only got one roll of lavatory paper’, you know, all that sort of stuff. Whereas the black guys were like, hey, ‘do you want to hear this?’ and calling my dad over and saying look, ‘listen to Count Basie’.


(Emphasis mine.)
 
In short, Americans think nothing of exterminating a race of people in order to build golf courses. It's entirely normal.
[Insert poor-taste joke about unfortunately not managing it with Scotland]

;)
 
Also, to quote the greatest living drummer in the world, Charles Hayward:

My ‘bag’ had been severely, severely ruptured very, very early on in my life. I was very, very, lucky. My father had been a prisoner of war and he joined the army and gone to war, (and was) obliged to listen to British dance music, because that’s all there was, Victor Silvester and stuff like that. And then he had the misfortune to become a prisoner of war. And other people who were also prisoners of war were American GIs.

He gave me a resume. The white guys were arseholes.
The black guys were fucking fantastic. ‘So what do you mean, Dad?’ ‘The white guys – all they ever did was boast about how their Red Cross was superior to our one.’ (adopts American accent) ‘ You guys ain’t got chewing gum. What, you only got one roll of lavatory paper’, you know, all that sort of stuff. Whereas the black guys were like, hey, ‘do you want to hear this?’ and calling my dad over and saying look, ‘listen to Count Basie’.


(Emphasis mine.)
That's racist isn't it? I listened to Count Basie live once, so I've got that going for me...
 
Yeah, I was using "" to express the irony we non-Americans likely feel at its use.
I say we pass the moniker to Starmer! Or, just to piss Trump off, to Trudeau! ;)
It needs to be an entity with some heft in international affairs, though. The EU has this, though the leadership it shows, occasionally, is of a collective kind rather than via a charismatic individual. Things such as regulation of IT and data, climate change, free movement of people, civilised social security provision, and so forth.
 
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