Till Eulenspiegel
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What you mean is, you feel free to call people names if they don't agree with you. You see your views as logical and opposing views as illogical or dumb. Glad we got that cleared up.
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Should overweight people pay more for seat in a plane?
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What you mean is, you feel free to call people names if they don't agree with you. You see your views as logical and opposing views as illogical or dumb. Glad we got that cleared up.
As an aside, would you be happier knowing that the person next to you taking up half your space is paying more for the right to do so? And would you demand that you pay less as a result?4. As I have bought a limited space on an airplane I should get what I pay for, not half of it because someone can't keep his body together.
Charge them more and provide them with more space, obviously.Should we, as Avatar suggest for overweight people, charge them more or have a special section where they are seated?
Grantywanty
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Slippery slope, Till Eulenspiegel.
I'm discussing only airplanes, where weight is a very important factor and space is at the premium.
For me the offputting part is the weighing of the customers. I assume this would happen at the airport - hopefully in private - since one could gain weight the week before the flight. Something about that bothers me. I understand your logic and I as I said I partially agree. But that image and process bothers me. (I would certainly want the people who are doing the weighing to be obese)
What do you think about the weighing customers aspect? How do you see this being done?
I am not asking if the point I am making makes you change your opinion. Please note that. I want to know if you think my concern here has any weight at all?
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As an aside, would you be happier knowing that the person next to you taking up half your space is paying more for the right to do so? And would you demand that you pay less as a result?
No, as you read I have suggested that there are special seats for bigger people, that also normal people can use if neccessary.
Or they get two seats.
No, as you read I have suggested that there are special seats for bigger people, that also normal people can use if neccessary.
Or they get two seats.
Well theres the problem, because airline operators will want to avoid doing that. Bigger seats = fewer seats, and they are constantly pestering airline manufacturers about cramming in more people.
For me the offputting part is the weighing of the customers. I assume this would happen at the airport, hopefully in private, since one could gain weight. Something about that bothers me. I understand your logic and I as I said I partially agree. But that image and process bothers me. (I would certainly want the people who are doing the weighing to be obese)
What do you think about the weighing customers aspect? How do you see this being done?
I am not asking if the point I am making makes you change your opinion. Please note that. I want to know if you think my concern here has any weight at all?
I think it could be done very discretely with weights embedded in the floor space before the check in desk, a marked zone where a person has to stand.
Then he gets to swipe his credit card if there is more than normal weight, the same as it is for luggage.
Well theres the problem, because airline operators will want to avoid doing that. Bigger seats = fewer seats, and they are constantly pestering airline manufacturers about cramming in more people.
Yes, but in this case the bigger seats will earn more because the tickets would cost more. Those could be limited in number at the back of the airplane, say the last two rows or something.
Exactly!I haven't read any article, but a discussion at the BBC website on the same topic.
And I usually call people stupid if they show inability to use logic, such as:
1. Airlines charge more for more space - business class
2. Airlines charge more for more weight - if luggage exceeds 20kg
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3. Therefore obsese people should also pay for more space if they need it, and they also should pay for the weight, if it together with luggage exceeds a particular limit.
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4. As I have bought a limited space on an airplane I should get what I pay for, not half of it because someone can't keep his body together.
Till, box up a bicycle, take it with you to the airport and have the clerk check that baggage, in addition to your regular baggage. Then see if you can get away with checking that bike w/o having to pay an extra fee (some airlines charge over $80 to take a bicycle).
The point I'm getting at is the fact that that bike and box may weigh no more than 50 lbs, but the space requirements for it are substantial from a luggage point of view. Same principle should apply to fat people who noticeably, physically take up more than one seat.
Why should one fat person that takes up two seats have to pay for one seat, when say, a couple (i.e. two people) that take up the exact same space, have to pay for two seats (tickets)?
Till Eulenspiegel
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Two people get on an airplane. One is a tall, muscular man who weight two hundred and eighty pounds. The other is a short woman, say five feet who weighs two hundred and fifty pounds. If as the original post stated, at least in part, this is a safety issue revolving around the weight of the passengers which of the two should pay more for his/her ticket?
Remember, the tall, muscular man will not take up all his seat space but the short, less heavy woman will probably need a seat belt extender.
Remember, the tall, muscular man will not take up all his seat space but the short, less heavy woman will probably need a seat belt extender.
I see your point however those seats would have to be occupied by fat people (paying more) on each flight in order to make their money back. Regular sized people would not be charged extra for sitting in those seats. Will those seats always be occupied by fat people?Yes, but in this case the bigger seats will earn more because the tickets would cost more. Those could be limited in number at the back of the airplane, say the last two rows or something.
Yes, I understand, but business class also is less full than economic class.
However that could be solved by making those fat people buy two seats or a seat in business class without reconstructing the plane, but special seats would be more comfortable,
so I think that such people would choose the airline with such special seats because of the comfort factor, so they could even be full on every flight.
However that could be solved by making those fat people buy two seats or a seat in business class without reconstructing the plane, but special seats would be more comfortable,
so I think that such people would choose the airline with such special seats because of the comfort factor, so they could even be full on every flight.
Two people get on an airplane. One is a tall, muscular man who weight two hundred and eighty pounds. The other is a short woman, say five feet who weighs two hundred and fifty pounds. If as the original post stated, at least in part, this is a safety issue revolving around the weight of the passengers which of the two should pay more for his/her ticket?
Remember, the tall, muscular man will not take up all his seat space but the short, less heavy woman will probably need a seat belt extender.
I didn't state that this is a safety issue, on the contrary actually.
But I stated that people should be charged according to their weight, if that weight begins to exceed a particular limit, like it is with luggage.
Grantywanty
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OK, that's a dignified solution. Still...aren't we losing something.I think it could be done very discretely with weights embedded in the floor space before the check in desk, a marked zone where a person has to stand.
Then he gets to swipe his credit card if there is more than normal weight, the same as it is for luggage.
I assume this would include big people who are not necessarily overweight.
Pregnant women?
Should men have to pay more? (given that they tend to weigh more.)
Grantywanty
Registered Senior Member
Why should one fat person that takes up two seats have to pay for one seat, when say, a couple (i.e. two people) that take up the exact same space, have to pay for two seats (tickets)?
AVATAR: But I stated that people should be charged according to their weight, if that weight begins to exceed a particular limit, like it is with luggage.
Society is heading in this direction. Now we are charged more and more individually - by banks for example. That old access to the nice teller lady will soon be like stepping into a taxi. Bang the meter is up.
Store clerks can begin to charge customers a fee based on salesperson time and totals sales price of objects purchased.
Everything can be metered with charges for time, weight, inconvenience, questions answered, etc.
I still feel like something is being lost.
Like in the past we didn't try to measure everyone in terms of the money they cost us is such an anal retentive inhuman way.
Grantywanty
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Only if they exceed a particular limit. You pay the same if it's a 8kg suitcase or a 18kg suitcase, but you start to pay more after 20kg,
so normal weight people wouldn't be charged more, only those who really are abnormally heavy.
Sure, but are you opening yourself up to a class action suit by women.
They could make the case that planes could be smaller if it wasn't for men, fuel cheaper, so they want a per pound price. They feel they are being discriminated against - as are other people who weight less - and are carrying the men's weight with their ticket prices.
Why not shift over to a per pound system? That'll be 4 dollars a pound to Houston sir?
I still feel like something is being lost.
Like in the past we didn't try to measure everyone in terms of the money they cost us is such an anal retentive inhuman way.
Such is capitalism.