Purpose of Life

Michael 345 said:
Got it

Capsule of Dark Matter EQUALS
entity EQUALS
capsule of Dark Matter EQUALS
soul

Any idea of the numbers?

ie how many scientists trying to understand Dark Matter against the number of scientists trying to understand soul.
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Some just need that comfort zone aspect that helps contribute to that warm inner glow type of feeling they need to balance their fears and uncertainty.
Carl Sagan has some excellent videos around the net, one in particular I'm having difficulty in finding, which questions why anyone need add anything as superfluous as ID.
I'll see if I can find it tomorrow...[still stinking hot here at 2330hrs and 29 C!
Going for a cold shower!! ;)
 
Set a man light, and he will be warm for a day.
Set a man alight, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.
 
timojin said:
Let me put it in a way you will understand ,
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See, that's why people don't want to help you.
You've admitted you don;t understand a ot of things, but then talk down to people.

timojin said:
there is a capsule of dark matter , so now we have an entity and that capsule is the soul. So as science is familiar with dark matter it should not be to difficult to understand.
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This is word salad.

Here's something we don't understand: DM.
Here's something we don't understand: souls.
Let's set souls=DM.
2 problems solved.

You could perform the same logic and set souls=UFOs.
 
In ancient tradition, humans are composed of body, soul and spirit. The body is our physical expression. The spirit animates the soul and the soul animates the body. In modern terms, the soul would be essentially our memory, since our memory contains snap shots and subroutines (habits) of our life, with this defining who we are. If you could swap your entire memory in a new body, the essence of you will appear in the new body.

The spirit animates the soul, implies that impulses; spirit, trigger the memory into action. If we are hungry, the feeling of hunger is not personal, but is part of the instinctive spirit of the human body. The need of the spirit; hunger, animates our memory, along the lines of the items, habits and routines we use for eating. These habits and choices are often specific to who we are; soul. We can also be animated by the spirit of the times, thereby using our meddle; memory, to extrapolate in real time.

The idea of the soul living forever, in modern terms, has a connection to the DNA. For example, if you were good at music; in your soul/memory, there is a good chance one or more of your children will have an innate propensity for music. Through the DNA, aspects of your soul are perpetuated.

Way back then, they did not have the science tools we have today to see the DNA and do brain scans. However, they were still able to observe and correlate human behavior, by looking inward and outward and correlate this in terms of three distinct layers, and how these connects to the DNA/eternity. Later science changes the nomenclature and essentially says the same things, but in a more modern and provable way. You need to learn how to interpret.

In Christian tradition, the souls of the departed, live forever, but are segregated to heaven or hell. If soul is our memory, habit and subroutine, this segregation is connected to the sum of good and evil habits and behavior. This are passed, forward, via the DNA. If this is true, one would expect to see both lambs; gentle, and wolves; aggressive people, in culture, due to long term conditioning of the human DNA. The idea was to get people to behave in a good way so the future will reflects a higher percent of good people in cultures, so it is easier to advance culture. In the USA and many first world countries, there are way more good people, allowing stability.
 
wellwisher said:
soul and spirit
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So now I have two supernatural entities apart from the big one who is playing with my life for some grand outcome but not letting me in on what it will be so I remain a hapless participant

Which one would be the boss and which the sidekick?

Or is it more Tweedledum and Tweedledee?

wellwisher said:
The spirit animates the soul, implies that impulses; spirit, trigger the memory into action. If we are hungry, the feeling of hunger is not personal, but is part of the instinctive spirit of the human body. The need of the spirit; hunger, animates our memory, along the lines of the items, habits and routines we use for eating. These habits and choices are often specific to who we are; soul. We can also be animated by the spirit of the times, thereby using our meddle; memory, to extrapolate in real time.
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?

wellwisher said:
The idea of the soul living forever, in modern terms, has a connection to the DNA. For example, if you were good at music; in your soul/memory, there is a good chance one or more of your children will have an innate propensity for music. Through the DNA, aspects of your soul are perpetuated.
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Physical measurable aspects of the body are passed on from the combination of the DNA of the parients

Good at music would not be such a aspect

Nurture would work in that field

With genetics you may have a combination which would allow you to grow 2 metres tall

But if nurture fails to provide enough of the essentials for life you won't get there

wellwisher said:
If soul is our memory, habit and subroutine, this segregation is connected to the sum of good and evil habits and behavior.
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And if soul is not your memory and it is not true?

wellwisher said:
This are passed, forward, via the DNA. If this is true, one would expect to see both lambs; gentle, and wolves; aggressive people, in culture, due to long term conditioning of the human DNA
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And if it is not passed forward and is not true what would we expect to see?

wellwisher said:
The idea was to get people to behave in a good way so the future will reflects a higher percent of good people in cultures, so it is easier to advance culture.
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Whoes idea?
 
DaveC426913 said:
See, that's why people don't want to help you.
You've admitted you don;t understand a ot of things, but then talk down to people.


This is word salad.

Here's something we don't understand: DM.
Here's something we don't understand: souls.
Let's set souls=DM.
2 problems solved.

You could perform the same logic and set souls=UFOs.
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Have I not show you some called UFO as cloud formation based on uplift of air.
Now what can you tell me about dark matter.
Yes , accidentally in my mind and it make sense to me I can relate dark matter to soul I give you some examples been alive under a mechanical respirator, why don't you try to digges the idea wit an open mind .
 
timojin said:
Yes , accidentally in my mind and it make sense to me I can relate dark matter to soul I give you some examples been alive under a mechanical respirator, why don't you try to digges the idea wit an open mind .
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Obviously how ever your mind works, it is incessantly and fanatically dictated by your beliefs in your magic spaghetti monster as the be all and end all of everything...certainly nothing to do with reasonable, rational logical thinking, sadly.
 
timojin said:
why don't you try to digges the idea wit an open mind .
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Because there are an infinite number of fanciful ideas in the universe (witness my souls=UFOs example).
The only way to get anything done is to concentrate on the ones for which there is at least a fleeting plausible basis.

Find some evidence that shows a correlation between DM and the soul, and -

Wait. You don't even need to do that. Just find some (objective) evidence of a soul at all.
 
paddoboy said:
Obviously how ever your mind works, it is incessantly and fanatically dictated by your beliefs in your magic spaghetti monster as the be all and end all of everything...certainly nothing to do with reasonable, rational logical thinking, sadly.
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Do you really you are reasonable and your mind follows a logical path ? Have you created any idea on your own ? Even the expression you are bombarding me (Spaghetti ) is not your own.
So let us go, you your way and I go my way.
 
timojin said:
Do you really you are reasonable and your mind follows a logical path ? Have you created any idea on your own ? Even the expression you are bombarding me (Spaghetti ) is not your own.
So let us go, you your way and I go my way.
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Just as many of your expressions are not yours.....:rolleyes:
And my dear young fellow, I'm not trying to change your path at all: What I say may offend you, but what I say is simply mostly against your own mythical beliefs you chose to follow, and that you like to ram down everyone's throat as opposed to science, on a science forum no less.
And at this time, according to science and our best models, explanations and data we have, we are simply just star vomit, originating in the guts of stars.
That's not my own either, but it is factual and so I use it.:p
You have a good day, ya hear! ;)
 
timojin said:
Have I not show you some called UFO as cloud formation based on uplift of air.
Now what can you tell me about dark matter.
Yes , accidentally in my mind and it make sense to me I can relate dark matter to soul I give you some examples been alive under a mechanical respirator, why don't you try to digges the idea wit an open mind .
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Again as a Regular Nurse looking after patients from premature 20 weeks gestation babies to 90 + year old adults
I never saw anything in any medical documents on the care for the soul or Dark Matter

Did all those in caring for all those patients miss something?
 
Michael 345 said:
Again as a Regular Nurse looking after patients from premature 20 weeks gestation babies to 90 + year old adults
I never saw anything in any medical documents on the care for the soul or Dark Matter

Did all those in caring for all those patients miss something?
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Well relating to science , Scientist are claiming there is over 85 % of the total matter in the universe is Dark matter , but if you ask them to provide you 1 microgram of that Dark matter there are not able , they don't have an instrument that can identify it directly.
So since 15% of the matter in the universe is tangible , we can identify it and we can weigh it.
So , the soul can be part of the Dark matter, we cannot see it , we can not weigh it , but the effect is without soul there is no life .
My example of the soul effect again 3 rd time ; You as a nurse, my wife is a nurse, my son is graduating in the medical field as a doctor It is said when a person is death the soul have left the body.
A person can be sometime brought back to life by providing resuscitation, and providing a mechanical respiration by connecting the respiration machine , therefore the patient have an artificial life , because it depends in the machine , this person does not have a soul, ( which provides life ) . to prove, you unplug the machine ( respirator ) the person dies. We are alive because the soul is in us. If the universe is composed of Dark matter the matter have to be in all places . If the Dark matter holds the galaxy together, I believe then the Dark matter have to be on the earth and around by us.
 
DaveC426913 said:
If this premise is false, then the rest of the argument has no basis.

Time and effort would be better spent determining the existence of souls, before determining anything else about them.
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On what basis, since you are contesting my basis, you should give your explanation.
 
timojin said:
On what basis, since you are contesting my basis, you should give your explanation.
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If souls don't exist, then there is no reason to try to develop a connection to Dark Matter.

If I said I think pixie dust is actually neutrinos, it would be non-sensical, since I've just made up pixie dust.
So, my first step would have to be to show that there is a problem here to solve, which is: nevermind neutrinos, does pixie dust even exist in the first place?

So, as always happens, to discuss the details of souls, you'd have to first show that souls even exist.
 
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