Psychology of Conspiracy Theorists

Inertia and the spring constant of the flexible flag. Pretty simple.
(See the 00:30 time mark of the video in post #522.)

That's obviously not the case. There's no pre-movement that is consistent with the fluttering. The fluttering movement is totally consistent with the movement caused by its being dragged through a gaseous or liquid medium. Do you agree that the movement is consistent with its being in a liquid medium?
 
Nothing I've ever seen underwater would make me think that the fluttering of the flag in the Chinese spacewalk is consistent with its being in a vacuum

How many flags have you observed in a vacuum?

I hope you are not guessing as to how they would behave?

Come on tell me how many times have you observed flags in a vacuum..not once I bet and yet you come here making out you are an expert on flags in a vacuum...

Let me go with you on each and every one of your conspiracy propositions as being true ...so what? Why should I care? Why should you care? Why should anyone care?

So we did not go to the Moon and NASA faked it...who cares? The church has been telling fibs for years and religious wars have caused millions of deaths...who cares?

Why are you so concerned about any of these things?

You need to find a hobby maybe perhaps stamp collecting of stamps that were put on the envelope upside down..now a collection of those would mean you are doing something useful with your life but this idea that NASA took a water tank to the Moon to put astronaughts in and film them is just irrelevant..yes stamp collecting is for you.
Alex
 
The fluttering movement is totally consistent with the movement caused by its being dragged through a gaseous or liquid medium.
No, it's not. If it was being dragged through liquid it would always trail the header of the flag. It would never move independently through the water and hit something nearby. Never.
Do you agree that the movement is consistent with its being in a liquid medium?
Nope. I've spent a lot of time underwater. Flags simply don't move like that underwater. Nor do loose straps, lines, or even fins.
 
It would never move independently through the water and hit something nearby. Never.
(see video in post #522, 00:32 time mark)
I've given a rebuttal to this twice and all you did was reiterate. You're supposed to give a counter-rebuttal — not a reiteration.

The flag's hitting the helmet is possible at a very slow speed. The video can be sped up to give the appearance of the flag's being in a vacuum. Now give a counter-rebuttal. Don't just reiterate.


The fluttering of this flag looks like it's in the same environment as the flag in the Chinese spacewalk (see video in post #522, 00:30 time mark).

USS Spiegle Grove Dive 1 - USA flag waves underwater


This one too.

Diving Turkey underwater turkish flag
 
(see video in post #522, 00:32 time mark)
I've given a rebuttal to this twice and all you did was reiterate. You're supposed to give a counter-rebuttal — not a reiteration.
Water is very viscous. A piece of fabric will not shoot through that water to hit something far away. Just not going to happen.

Again, get some firsthand experience with this. Dive with a flag. Whip it back and forth in front of you. See if it ever flies off in odd directions.
The flag's hitting the helmet is possible at a very slow speed.
Nope. Not unless there was a current pushing it in that direction. And since its end whips in all directions - that's not possible either.
The fluttering of this flag looks like it's in the same environment as the flag in the Chinese spacewalk (see video in post #522, 00:30 time mark).
No, it doesn't. The only direction it ever moves is with the current. Never against.
 
Water is very viscous. A piece of fabric will not shoot through that water to hit something far away. Just not going to happen.

Again, get some firsthand experience with this. Dive with a flag. Whip it back and forth in front of you. See if it ever flies off in odd directions.
Nope. Not unless there was a current pushing it in that direction. And since its end whips in all directions - that's not possible either.
You're not addressing my actual argument. I'm saying that when it was filmed, the astronaut made the flag hit his helmet at a very slow speed. Do you admit that's possible? Then, they played it back at a high speed to make it look like they were in a vacuum. That's the argument. Please address my argument.

No, it doesn't. The only direction it ever moves is with the current. Never against.
This makes no sense whatsoever. Whether a flag is in a current or someone is dragging a flag underwater, water is moving past the flag and making it flutter. The fluttering of the Chinese flag is obviously in a medium as it behaves the same way the underwater flags do.
 
You're not addressing my actual argument. I'm saying that when it was filmed, the astronaut made the flag hit his helmet at a very slow speed. Do you admit that's possible?
No, it is not. How would he do that? Telekinesis?

If it's a floppy flag, then it goes where the currents take it, and nowhere else. There is nothing he can do short of drawing the flag across his faceplate that will make the fly end come in contact with his faceplate.

If it's a flag made of springy plastic, then its behavior is consistent with being in vacuum.
Then, they played it back at a high speed to make it look like they were in a vacuum. That's the argument. Please address my argument.
There is nothing they could have done - faster playback, slower playback - to make a flag whap his faceplate from some distance away had it been in water.

Again, you are arguing from ignorance. Get some experience how fabrics fly underwater. If you care to do so, great, we can talk some more. If you prefer to remain ignorant, then that's your right.
This makes no sense whatsoever. Whether a flag is in a current or someone is dragging a flag underwater, water is moving past the flag and making it flutter. The fluttering of the Chinese flag is obviously in a medium as it behaves the same way the underwater flags do.
No. Never, in any of those videos, does the flag move away from the current. Ever. You have posted excellent proof that your own claims are false.
 
If it's a floppy flag, then it goes where the currents take it, and nowhere else. There is nothing he can do short of drawing the flag across his faceplate that will make the fly end come in contact with his faceplate.

If it's a flag made of springy plastic, then its behavior is consistent with being in vacuum.
(see video in post #22)
It you put it on slow speed, it looks like all of those movements can be made by manipulating the flag with his hand. They could have sped up and slowed down and reversed the footage to make it look like it was in a vacuum.

No. Never, in any of those videos, does the flag move away from the current. Ever. You have posted excellent proof that your own claims are false.
(from the 00:30 time mark of the video)

This reply doesn't seem to have any connection to the argument I made. At the 00:29 time mark the astronaut starts to make three right-to-left movements of the flag. During the second movement the flag flutters the way it would in a gaseous or liquid medium. Therefore, the footage was taken in a water tank. You seem to be trying to give unclear answers on purpose. What do you mean by the water moving away from the current?


Tell us what you think of the issue of the buoyant safety cables
https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthread.php?169361-The-Chinese-spacewalk-was-faked-in-a-water-tank
 
It you put it on slow speed, it looks like all of those movements can be made by manipulating the flag with his hand. They could have sped up and slowed down and reversed the footage to make it look like it was in a vacuum.
Nope. No matter what speed you film it at, a piece of fabric will not work its way up against the current. It will follow the current. Always.

Look, at this point you are doing nothing more than arguing from ignorance. "I do not know how things work underwater, so I will claim that they can work in such a way as to support my political agenda." That's not a valid argument. Come back when you have a valid one.
 
You don't even seem to have understood my argument.
You do not have any argument, other then a load of fabricated bullshit, you like rambling on about, simply to gain attention.
In other words the same as all the other nonsense you push, which has seen you justifiably banned elsewhere, and threads closed here.
I think you're just playing games.
Pot, Kettle, Black!!
You didn't address this part of my post.

Tell us what you think of the issue of the buoyant safety cables
https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthread.php?169361-The-Chinese-spacewalk-was-faked-in-a-water-tank
He's given you far more time and consideration then you ever deserve, and which I certainly will not entertain, one iota.
Go troll somewhere else.
 
Yes, I see that Idiot was justifiably banned also.
Your behaviour is not that of an objective truth-seeker. You seem to be checkmated. If you're not checkmated, explain how the behaviour of those safety cables is consistent with their being in a vacuum and not in water.
 
You don't even seem to have understood my argument.
I have explained why your argument is incorrect, and the science behind it. You cannot accept the truth so you play ignorant.
Tell us what you think of the issue of the buoyant safety cables.
A buoyant cable would always float in one direction. This one did not. Sometimes it moves upward, sometimes downward, sometimes left and right - depending on what the guy is doing with the other end. Which is exactly what you'd expect in zero gravity.
 
Your behaviour is not that of an objective truth-seeker.
He was an Idiot. He was banned, permanently!
I, like most reasonable sensible people know the truth. We don't need to go on some emotionally charged, conspiracy nonsense because of some inane self psychotic medical condition and urge for attention, that you appear to exhibit.
You seem to be checkmated.
:D I suggest you go and play some Chess, as you are getting no where here with your bullshit.
If you're not checkmated, explain how the behaviour of those safety cables is consistent with their being in a vacuum and not in water.
Is English your third language? Any pretended, supposed anomaly that you think you and your fellow conspiracists see, is nothing but a figment of your imagination, and a quest to continue to get some attention.

Let me again remind you that all you pretentiously question, is fact. History will show that in a hundred, even a thousand years time, while you and your nonsense, will fade into oblivion.
You need to accept that.
 
A buoyant cable would always float in one direction. This one did not. Sometimes it moves upward, sometimes downward, sometimes left and right - depending on what the guy is doing with the other end. Which is exactly what you'd expect in zero gravity.
Anyone who watches it will see that's not the case.

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In this video the safety cable is obviously buoyant. It has a distinct tendency to to upward. The thicker one is the buoyant one. Ignore the thinner one.

China Shenzhou 7 Space Walk Live!! Full Success!

Watch it at these time marks.
0:50
2:10
3:00
3:10
6:08
6:44
6:53

It's going upward because it's slightly lighter than water.
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Start watching this one at the 8:50 time mark.

Proof China Faked Their Spacewalk (Part 2)
 
Let me again remind you that all you pretentiously question, is fact. History will show that in a hundred, even a thousand years time, while you and your nonsense, will fade into oblivion.
You need to accept that.

How are your gaskets and blood pressure relief valves?

Hint - if you start mumbling to yourself you are due for a service

Self mumblings are like rattling in cars, get treated before fall apart

:)
 
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