Not really an issue; you would never even get near a formal debate. You'd be laughed out of the university far before any "formal debate."
Nope. At one point he's swinging it violently and the end of the flag is moving fast; at one point it swings around rapidly and slaps him on the helmet. That would not happen underwater. Too much drag - the flat flag would never be able to move that fast through water.
I don't know if we're talking about the same thing. I'm talking about the movement at the 00:30 time mark of this video.
The fly end of the flag whips around and hits him in the helmet. Underwater it won't do that. Water has too much drag. Again - try it yourself.
The spring constant of the plastic it is printed on.
There is no sane reason to think that it wasn't.
I did. It goes wherever the water takes it. Never - not once - does the end of the flag whip around and go the other way.
You're talking about the movement at the 00:33 time mark. That can be explained by changing the speed of the playback. That movement would be possible at a very slow speed. They sped up the video to make it look like there was no drag.
Are you talking about the movement at the 00:30 time mark? Did you try it here on Earth in air? Anyway, those covers are stiffer than the Chinese flag. The two are not comparable.
My argument is not that it whips around and goes the other way. My argument is that it flutters the way the flag in the "Underwater Rainbow flag" video does.
Then you would see occasional frantic looking movements when the flag was deflected by water as it is normally (see your video.) There were none.
How stiff was the Chinese flag? How stiff is a binder cover? Newtons per meter will work fine here.
Exactly. That flag did not flutter. It only flapped around left to right. Not once did you see the sort of flutter you saw in the underwater video.
You're either playing games, or we're not talking about the same thing. At the 00:29 time mark he pulls it from right to left three times. I'm talking about the second time. Do you see the flag fluttering at that point?
Okay. So you come here, believing that everybody you're talking to is a paid sophist. Why bother? If you don't come expecting an honest conversation, why do you come?
All of this could equally be applied to you, though, couldn't it Freddy? If I understand it correctly, you have been flitting around the interwebs literally for years now pushing the same tired old arguments about the moon landings. You've been banned from one forum after another. It must take an unusually thick skin for you to persist in the face of overwhelming criticism and non-acceptance. Most of the world is against you when it comes to acceptance that the moon landings happened, let's face it. Does this make you emotional? It doesn't look to me like it has much impact on you, if any. Obviously, you choose to spend a lot of your time pushing your conspiracy rubbish, and you're not deterred by any debunking. You haven't tried to improve your communication style or your substance. Indeed, the substance seems to have remained unchanged for years now, as far as I can tell. And what about your team of fellow moon-deniers? Or have they all dropped away over the years?
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/the-latest-moon-hoax-documentary.163196/page-9#post-3645651
Or a guy furiously waving the flag around, which is exactly what we see in the video.
The issue is the behavior of the flag as he's moving it. It would not flutter like that in the vacuum of space. We can therefore deduce that the footage was indeed taken in a water tank. NASA knows that but they still take the position that the Chinese spacewalk was real. This has never been disproven. There seems to be a big conspiracy to keep people from seeing the proof that the Chinese spacewalk was faked. I started a thread on that over at PoliticalForum and the moderator deleted the whole thread because the pro-official version posters who were trying to obfuscate the clear proof of fakery* were looking silly. There's a point at which things are so clear that sophistry simply becomes ineffective. No one who maintains that the Chinese spacewalk was real has any credibility and is not to be taken seriously when he or she analyzes Apollo hoax evidence, 9/11 inside job evidence, etc.
And more to the point is the fact that most in the nutty conspiracy game should really be certified, based on the misinterpretations, lies and ignorance they show. If the cap fits Freddy!
Let's hear your analysis of the fluttering flag. Why does it flutter when he moves it from right to left in a straight line? What is the force making it flutter if there's no air or water?
Freddy, as I have told you before, I refuse to watch any of your silly emotionally contrived nonsense, when all points in any conspiracy you have ever fabricated, has been totally debunked.
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It is bending the way a flat piece of plastic would if you waved it around. He does it several times. At one point (0:32) the fly end comes whipping around and hits him in the helmet. Again THAT CANNOT HAPPEN underwater.
You seem to be playing games. The flag is fluttering the way the flag in the other video is. The Chinese flag is a little stiffer.
I already replied to this. It can happen at a much lower speed. It can be explained by sped-up video.
Go back and look at post #504 again.
Freddy, Freddy, Freddy...I don't need to go back anywhere to understand the crazy ridiculious and childish position you argue from.How many times must I tell you that?
Nope. The underwater flag, when pulled in a straight line, shows flapping at its fly end. The flag in orbit needs to be swung violently to show any motion at all.
No, it can't. A flag will NEVER move against the water to go to a new place. NEVER.
I have already explained why it can. It's a flexible plastic flag, and like any flexible sheet of plastic, can bend when you move it fast.
It is showing motion. Your post doesn't make sense. The end of the flag flutters the way it would in gas or liquid. Tell us what the force that makes it flutter is.
They were trying to make underwater footage look like a vacuum. If the aquanaut intentionally moves the flag toward his helmet ever so slowly, it will eventually touch his helmet. Then, by speeding up the footage, it looks like they're in a vacuum.
Again, tell us what the force that's making it move is.
I've only been snorkelling.
Inertia and the spring constant of the flexible flag. Pretty simple.
No, it won't.
Spend some time diving. Then, instead of speaking from ignorance, you'll have more to draw on, and you won't look so foolish.
